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- July 5, 2002 at 11:43 pm #35480
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Guest1) Black Beauty –
I read somewhere that Danny wrote the score to Black Beauty for his two daughters.
True, not true?
The only Elfman family I’ve heard of is his mother, Jenna Elfman, Richard Elfman, and Bodhi Elfman. I’ve never heard of daughters before or a wife. Not that it matters… I was just curious.2) Elfman’s Orchestrations –
Does Danny write all his music on the piano and let Steve Bartek do all the orchestration puttings-togethers, or, rather, does Elfman write the music for all the instruments himself? And can he play anything really well? Besides guitar. And probably mezzopiano.-Em
July 6, 2002 at 12:27 am #40716Anonymous
Guestanswer to 1:he has two daughters called lola and mali…i think. i dont think he has a wife tho.
answer to 2: as far as i know danny just writes out his music music for brass. strings. piano etc and bartek orchestrates it more specifically., i.e. for violin 1,2 viola’s cello, trombones, french horns etc. i’ve always wanted to find out exactly what steve bartek does…but no one knows!
July 6, 2002 at 12:50 am #40717Anonymous
GuestWell, to name his daughter Mali, he must really be into Africa, huh.
I guess that just means that they’re his ex-girlfriend’s (who was she again? Only heard her name mentioned…once.) kids.And whew! I would be heartbroken if I found out Elfman only writes music for piano and then Bartek did everything else. Thank goodness.
-Em
July 6, 2002 at 1:28 am #40719Anonymous
Guestthe girlfriend that you refer to is caroline thompson, writer of edward scissorhands and the director of black beauty, but no, lola and mali where born before (to my knowledge) that elfman would establish his relation with thompson
-Alonso (gimme a six pack and some bags of skittles) Vences
July 6, 2002 at 2:10 am #40720Anonymous
GuestWoah, woah, woah, woah!
I clearly remember Edward Scissorhands coming from Tim Burton’s imaginative painting, which the story grew from. Are you suggesting that he just imagined the whole thing up, and not exactly WROTE it? :confused:
-EmJuly 6, 2002 at 2:57 am #40721Anonymous
GuestDanny Elfman’s children are from a previous marriage. He is unmarried now.
Caroline Thompson wrote the screenplay for EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, based on an idea by Tim Burton.
Ryan
July 6, 2002 at 2:11 pm #40736Anonymous
GuestIt’s been said that Steve Bartek is more of a spell-checker than anything else. And I’m pretty sure that Elfman would write a lot more specifically than for broad categories like “brass” and “strings” – – that would mean Steve Bartek was arranging everything . . . probably not the case.
The only instruments that I know of that Elfman plays (besides guitar) would be percussion, trombone, and violin. Can he play them really well? Probably not, unless he’s some sort of prodigy, or unless he’s secretly been training to become the world’s greatest trombone player.
July 6, 2002 at 6:01 pm #40742Anonymous
GuestBurtElfDepp –
#1: Yeah, I read once in an interview where Elfman spent some time in Africa as a teen fresh out of high school. I also know that he sort of got the start to the “sound” that would become OIngo Boingo from listening to “high life,” sort of an African, horn-driven dance music that was big there at the time. He has a lot of “ethnic” percussion used in Boingo music (Baliphones, and there are some hints of a gamelan ensemble used in the “Dark at the end of the tunnel” CD).
#2: Yes, I *believe* (don’t quote me on that, just that I remember reading it in several interviews with the Elf man) that, as Christopherness and Infynitie stated, Elfman writes out the “general” categores of instrumentation (i.e. violin, brass, woodwinds, etc) and Bartek orchestrates them to individualized sections (violin I, viola II, t-bone I, euphonium II, etc).
Note: I feel sorry for celebs – like Elfman, who don’t really like the spotlight – who have their past marriages, relationships, and #s of kids out floating around on the internet. Talk about a drag! I’ll admit that yes, I’m interested in his “bio,” so to speak, but I do try to refrain from actively seeking that type of information, just because I feel like it’s a huge invasion of privacy for people who don’t really want it.
Sorry, enough of the tirade, and back to that ANNOYING dissertation,
ErikaJuly 6, 2002 at 11:01 pm #40747Anonymous
GuestMali’s Danny’s biological daughter, and Lola is Danny’s step-daughter, from when he was with Caroline Thompson–at least, that’s what I’ve heard.
July 7, 2002 at 2:37 am #40750Anonymous
GuestErika,
about the privacy thing
I know exactly what you mean. I was a little afraid of how to phrase what I asked – but I wasn’t really asking if he was married or not, first of all because that’s not really what I wanted to know, and secondly, people ALWAYS take that the wrong way. I knew abosolutely nothing about his personal life, always assuming he was single and had no kids, (because usually you’d hear that kind of thing floating around) but then I found somewhere that he wrote Black Beauty for his daughters. (Which now I assume is true, though I didn’t really get an answer)
and HMMMMM I really got the answers I wanted to hear here
-EmJuly 7, 2002 at 1:45 pm #40756Anonymous
GuestErika, *I* didn’t say I think he writes that way. I said I think he writes quite a bit more specifically than that. Otherwise I’m pretty sure Steve Bartek (or whoever he’d be using as his orchestrator) would get the title of arranger.
July 7, 2002 at 8:49 pm #40759Anonymous
GuestDon Davis, a very experienced orchestrator, says in his commentary on The Matrix, “The difference between orchestration and composing is really the difference between writing a short sketch of, say, six or nine lines and writing out the entire orchestra part, which is about thirty to fifty lines.”
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