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with all the recent crap that has been posted about red dragon (who on his right mind would make up an interview, for god’s sake!?!?) i was wondering if Danny’s cameo on the movie (as the flautist Benjamin Raspail) is a reality or just another prank of a guy with way too much time to spare.
it would be a shame not to see Danny on screen, at the side of Anthony Hopkins (I just loved his hobo scene on The Gift)-Alonso (has a cookie heart) Vences
I thought he was gonna be a clarinetist . . . oh well, I think both are crappy choices of Elfman-instruments
oh. the dictionary says it’s another word for flutist. i’m so dumb. anyway…
mr. e’s apearance on the gift was kinda… um… creepy. it was so short and jumpy, I barely had time to identify him. it was funny-creepy though.. I donno. I think he shoulda scored it and had -is it.. chris young?- stand around playing something.
well, if one person thinks he’s gonna be a fla-utist, and one person thinks he’s to be a clarinet-ist, then there’s a chance he’s going to play something at least. how’s about trombone? where are those mystik knights when we need them?
lexi: it’s only me.
I think he should just do a “Hitchcock” and randomly pop up in any and all films he scores. You know, just stick him in anywhere, playing a violin, or something. Just because.
As I’ve heard it, Danny has a cameo at the VERY beginning. Brett Ratner (the director) supposedly confirmed this to ComingSoon.net [or some place]. It won’t last but a few seconds. He doesn’t even say anything (like in the GIFT). He just blows on a clarinet.
But, Just incidentally, he plays the guys who’s head later shows up in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS.
The two don’t look the same but it could work.
Stupidclarinetgrumblegrumble . . . They could at least give him a bass clarinet or contrabass clarinet grumblegrumble . . . contrabaaaaaaass . . . *drool*
Clarinetists are hilarious – at least in my experience, they’re very funny. They’re all neurotic about their reeds, naming them according to how they play (i.e. Airy, Crack-y, etc) and such. Hm…the fact that Elfman has a cameo as a supposedly-not-up-to-par clarinetist just makes it even better!
Of course, who I am to talk about weird reed fetishes?! I play a double reed, for god’s sake! Hm…must go feed the Santa Claus complex (you know, carving on little peices of wood, and professing them to be “the most perfect reed ever made” – haha)!
-E
Huh . . . I guess I’ve never met a neurotic clarinetist – – the ones I’ve met are pretty similar to flutes in that they’re sheep and probably the most social (and “popular!” *titter* *giggle*) music geeks.
I share your double reed pain. I had the perfect reed once. It sounded perfect. It loved me. It even tasted good. I was only able to use it for about a week and took it with me to one competition. Shortly afterwards, somebody sat on it and I almost cried.
Seriously, though, I don’t think a clarinet is right for Elfman, judging from what I know about him. Yeah, it’s a movie, yeah, I don’t really know him, yaddah yaddah yaddah . . . but he strikes me as one of the lower voices. Even an English horn. For god’s sakes though, not a clarinet . . . if this cameo is more than just a rumor, my guess is that the powers that be decided to have him play a more recognizable instrument. Most people recognize clarinets – – fat chance they’ll recognize anything double reed (except oboes, they probably think those are clarinets!), or really anything except the basic flutes, clarinets, trumpets, tuba, strings, yaddah yaddah yaddah.
sorry for that typo, it’s just that in spanish we call them “flautas”, i just got a little confused with the languages over there, im sorry.
-Alonso (a reelly kreapie mexcican… he he he) Vences
Nah . . . flautist is English too. So is flutist . . . flutist/flautist . . . same difference. The one thing I’ve noticed, though, is that it’s usually people who are trying to sound superior or snobby that use the wod flautist. I’m pretty sure it’s generally accepted as “proper” . . . but it really doesn’t matter which one you use.
thanks, you stopped me from looking like an ass in front of the others (as if anyone can stop me!)
-Alonso (they are only using you for the pool) Vences
Been a while since I read the book, but I think I recall something about Benjamin Raspail being a transvestite.
A dress, maybe?Infynitie –
I think it’s only in high school band that the “popular” band geeks (I like to call them “wannabe” band geeks) are the clarinetists and flutists (I refuse to call them “flautists” and thus brand myself as a self-proclaimed elitist). Although the double reed players are always the weirdos of the band, it gets less noticeable in college. Heck, when I was in college, people actually talked to me
Just remember that it pays (literally) to be a competent double reed musician…in other words, colleges and universities will give you fairly substantial amounts of money to play in their orchestras/wind ensembles, as there are so few of us. Ah, there’s nothing like being labeled a “rare commodity!” (Was that snooty enough for you?!)And yes, if the Elfman cameo is true, I’m convinced he portrays a clarinetist because 1) it isn’t a traditionally “feminine” instrument, at least not in professional circles, and thus won’t cause much uproar amongst the moviegoers (as opposed to a man playing the flute), and 2) yeah, as much as I don’t like to admit it, you have to cater to non-musicians, and those who have no flippin’ clue about instruments. Let’s face it: everybody and their dog knows what I clarinet looks like…
-E
Oddly enough, we had this absolutely amazing oboe player last year in our band (I mean, really amazing, everybody would just stop whenever he played), but he was actually kind of a prick . . . Abercrombie, lots of friends, new girlfriend every week . . . that type of guy. It was a pity . . . I wanted him to be a weird double reed player.
Y’know what I think is funny? That the flute is typically regarded as a girly instrument, yet there’s such a high number of professional male flutists out there . . . and the public STILL sees it as a feminine instrument. ((Although I will say . . . all the stereotypes of flutists are TRUE at my school, which is the main reason I ran screaming to the bassoon))
Just a funny clarinet-related note . . . I was at the website of a well-known professional bassoonist, and I was reading an interview on how he got started in music. He had seen some jazz show on TV and shortly afterwards went to the music store wanting to know where he could get this beautiful trumpet he had seen on the show . . . a beautiful, long, black trumpet . . . it took a long time before the guy at the store realized he wanted a clarinet :-p
I STILL think they should put him on contrabass clarinet . . . that instrument just growls in different pitches . . . I love it!!!
BTW, I’ll get back to you ASAP on that e-mail!
At least in my band years, I remember being in a great spot on the stage floor (as a bassoonist) – in between the Bass Clarinets and French Horn (when they are played right that is).
The “weirdoes” in my band was always the Saxophones because they thought they were cool (which is funny because the Sax has to be the easiest instrument to learn), and a band member who thinks he is cool is weird. Also they were the ones to get into all the trouble in and out of band. I should know, that is who I hung out with (playing Saxophone during marching season and writing a Sax Quartet in High School) – Oh, do I have stories…
Nat of the Bassoon people
At least in my band years, I remember being in a great spot on the stage floor (as a bassoonist) – in between the Bass Clarinets and French Horn (when they are played right that is).
The “weirdoes” in my band was always the Saxophones because they thought they were cool (which is funny because the Sax has to be the easiest instrument to learn), and a band member who thinks he is cool is weird. Also they were the ones to get into all the trouble in and out of band. I should know, that is who I hung out with (playing Saxophone during marching season and writing a Sax Quartet in High School) – Oh, do I have stories…
Nat of the Bassoon people
Hm…in my experience, it’s always been the low brass players who have thought they were the coolest thing since sliced bread. (The trumpets have always seemed to be quite cocky, so I stay away from those I know…don’t see Danny playing one of those in his cameo!) After orchestra rehearsals, I’ll often go and hang out with the trombones and tubas…they talk a lot about themselves, but they’re generally great, hilarious people…and very funny (90% of those I’ve met can’t spell worth a darn…no offense to trombonists/tubists, of course…my experience doesn’t dictate absolutes). It’s a bit weird, but I’ve also noticed there seems to be an odd sort of attraction between trombonists/tubists and double reeds…not sure why that is, either. (Actually, to be more specific, between jazz trombonists and oboists…again, I don’t get it).
My favorite brass instrument, hands down, is the French horn. How can you not adore it? When it’s played well, I cry like a baby; it’s ridiculous! Then again, oboes (I prefer the English horn, myself) and bassoons are pretty hip, too, when played well…
Nat (of the bassoon people, and who has also been in league with the saxophone people) –
funny how you refer to the saxophones as “they,” when you mention that “they were the ones to get into all the trouble in and out of band. I should know, that is who I hung out with…” A bit contradictory, no? I’ll bet you do have more than your share of stories
-Erika, of the English horn people (and a distant relative of the oboe people)
damn! i dont recall Benjamain Raspail being a transvestite, all i remember is that he sucked at playing… whatever the hell he plays and the good doctor kills him to “improve” the sound of the Baltimore Philharmonic Orchestra.
He prepared the man’s sweetbread’s and served them to the rest of the Orchestra’s members, Dr. Lecter also bought seven cases of wine to serve the “meal”, two of Chateau Petrus and five of Batard Montranchet…
-Alonso (the evil is upon us!) Vences
“funny how you refer to the saxophones as “they,” when you mention that “they were the ones to get into all the trouble in and out of band. I should know, that is who I hung out with…” A bit contradictory, no? I’ll bet you do have more than your share of stories”
Erika (of the Oklahoma oboe people),
It is funny I guess, but the truth be told, I didn’t ever get in trouble with them (and yes a lot of the times it did involve the cops). I was always the passenger and never the driver – if you get my drift.
Also I was a Principal’s son so I had a halo on my head from school troubles to start with. It could suck from time to time, but my Dad was pretty cool, and well liked by most students. He did pick ALL of my teachers, but that was OK because he gave me the best ones (not all the crazy ones, you know what I’m talking about).
Nat (of the Principal’s bassoonist son people)
Nat (of the Principal’s bassonist son people):
I live in Nebraska (yes, Oklahoma’s in the midwest also, so it was close enough) (don’t worry, not a football fan, so I’m not offended by the OK reference). Yes, being the passenger is a GOOD thing (well, sometimes it is…)
-Erika (of the Nebraska oboe and English horn people)
Sorry about the Oklahoma slip, I could have done my research (on this message board) and got it right, but alas I’m lazy and from the Mississippi people so you do the math because I sure can’t.
Being the passenger you get to SEE all the fun without HAVING all the fun!
NOt a problem. So, how’s the weather in Texas this time of year? (haha!)
-E
Oh, it’s very hot this time of… hey wait a minute I’m not in Texas!
Very funny.
Nat from the slow Mississippi people
Just caught onto the “subject” thing now…yep, I’d have to say, I think we midwesterners are also a bit on the slow side…must be all the offspring of those corn-fed farm boys who go onto play football and receive delayed brain damage as a result
(Note: I can say that because my father’s side of the family consists of corn-fed farm boys, and the fact that I’m the first of my family to 1) not be on welfare before the age of 30, and 2) have completed college…according to my family, it ruined me for life; I love it!) Incidentally, I simply love the southern part of the country; it’s gorgeous and warm! (As opposed to Nebraska, where it’s freezing arse cold in the winter, insanely humid in the summer, and just rainy and/or cloudy the rest of the time. Yes, let’s just say that Clint Black’s clothing line is doing quite well here…)-Erika (of the children of the corn…hahaaaa!)
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