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Dark Horizons posted that Brett Ratner may be up for the next SUPERMAN movie, after McG dropped out (yeah!)
Could this be another collaboration? Or will Rattner choose John Williams – it will be fun to follow this story.
oooh the plot thickens.
lexi: halloween socks on sale at target for $2.99!
There’s some funny little irony to this because Danny was originally going to score Superman for Tim Burton. Finally we may be able to hear Elfman-Superman music.
I just hope he isn’t labled as “the comic book composer.” by the way, who scored the x-men?
Michael Kamen scored the first X-MEN picture. John Ottman is editing and scoring the sequel.
Ryan
Took the words right out of my mouth! Michael Kamen is a bit sly because he stole little excerpts from the theme music for the X – Men cartoon and but them in his score for the film.
well, that’s kinda cheating. I like the suttle 3 notes during spider-man’s parade attack. that’s the way it should be done. little theme clips to remind you that contrary to what you see on screen, that girl is supposed to be storm etc.
lexi: if you try to believe
That is what I LOVE about Elfman’s action scores, they are TOTALLY unique, and for certain subjects such as Batman, Spider-Man, ect., There is a ton of music already written for these characters, but he uses none of it! I think that (and the fact that his music is unlike any other) makes him the best action film composer out there. I have also noticed that he doesn’t have much of a following (at least not internet based), why do you think that is?
Knight: Lexi needs help
You and your silly English Kniggitts – Dude, nobody listens to film scores in general…and if they do, it’s usually the “bigger” names (i.e. Williams, Zimmer, Goldsmith, et al). They’re still good, but in my opinion, Elfman will always be the man in terms of scores in general.
-E
nobody listens to elfman scores, yet somehow, we have an entire site full of his fans.. hmm.. curiouser and curiouser… uh.. what’s a kniggitt?
lexi: why is knight copying my signature closing and why won’t my voodoo doll stop staring at me?
I can tell you that Elfman has a very big following. I don’t mean to brag or anything, but this site does very well in terms of visitors.
Ryan
Okay, I slipped: the GENERAL public doesn’t listen to film scores…at least, not where I live. I guess I”m still of the opinion that Elfman’s following is sort of an “underground.” You know, like only the “hardcore film score fans” listen to him…but I’m probably wrong…the hardcore fans probably listen to anybody BUT Elfman, given the bashers out there and such. And yeah, Ryan, this site does seem to have a lot of visitors…hey, it’s well put together and updated regularly…kudos to you and thanks for the nifty place to discuss film scores and whatever else…
-E
Lexi – a Kniggitt is my poor attempt at phoenetic spelling of the Monty Python “…You Arthur King and your silly English Knights,” dialogue. I’m sure you know this, but “knights” was pronounced phoenetically – you know, the way it sounds if you pronounce every letter
Obviously my pun on “Knight’s” name didn’t work so well… ah well…-E
ah, thanks for clearing that up, erika.
you know I don’t see why people hate elfman so much. he’s just like every other composer, (somewhere a voice in my head says, ‘only better.’) why should he be disliked? is it the self-trained thing? the one thing different about elfman is that unlike all the other composers, he doesn’t have a stick up his bum.
lexi: I require a shrubbery.
Actually, I’m surprised how more and more people seem to have some idea who Danny Elfman is. He still doesn’t get the same response with the general public as mentioning William’s name, but I get fewer blank looks than I used to get when I mention him (Elfman).
Whether you love or hate the scores, you have to admit, chalking up some of these summer blockbuster titles (and comic book hero titles) does a lot for name recognition.
Maybe his tombstone won’t read: wrote the Simpson’s theme after all.
A great indication of how small a nitch the hobby of Film Score listeners occupy is to look at all the editions of scores that get a 3,000 or less run and still don’t sell out.
FSM release of Prince Valiant by Franz Waxman was one of the best film score “surprises” I have received in quite a long time, yet the score itself has been available for a couple of years. And with there only being 3,000 copies, you would think that music of this quality would be snatched up, but alas it is not.The same could be said for countless of other limited edition scores from FSM, Super Collector, Prometheus, Percepto, and other smaller labels.
I still find it amazing that Goldsmith’s The Challenge is still available with his great reputation among film score fans.
Elfman is my favorite, but I do find a lot of hostility from other fans of film music over him. It’s like your not suppose to like him if you like Williams or Goldsmith, heck, you see the same infighting among the fans of those two composers (both of witch I love as well).
Film score fans seem to put down a lot of composers that are already part of a small niche of Music in general. I don’t get it, I always thought we were in the same boat together: Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, and yes, even Horner fans. It’s too small a group to keep putting another one down. Criticism is great when it is done with a fair amount of balance between what you don’t like and what is common decency (taking into effect that what you like with a passion another just doesn’t).
Nat who thinks that as a film score fan, I have an obligation to help, not hurt the hobby.
well, when I was six I knew that someone named Danny sang as Jack Skellington, (ah yes. then, I remeber when I saw a picture of him from 1988 and screamed, “why??”) but it wasn’t until this year that I kept noticing his name everywhere. it was probably my introduction to boingo..
to most people scores are subliminal mood changers. they don’t notice the music unless it’s the only thing making noise during a scene. but, they do get sad when sad music plays, and a strong techno beat can put them on the edge of their seat! sometimes, the music makes the film work. make that always.
lexi: a.k.a. match girl
Ah, lexi, lexi, lexi…you couldn’t be more wrong. Danny Elfman’s scores are the ONLY ones I have ever noticed in a film (Batman being the first I bought), and it still pretty much remains that way. They bring life and emotion into the movie that breaks my attention off of the screen for a moment so I can listen to the music. Maybe the fact that I am a composer has to do with this but in any case, I don’t understand why anyone would dislike Elfman’s scores. He has written in so many different genres that there is pretty much something that everyone can like, and I don’t give a flying f*@$ if he is self-trained (because I am too), his music is better than most of those trained @$$holes who dislike him (probably for that reason). I say we all go and kill John Williams! hahahaha
Knight: I am not copying lexi, she just thinks I am
“I say we all go kill John Williams!” ???
It is a statement like that one that keeps our hobby down, and it is right after you say, “I don’t understand why anyone would dislike Elfman’s scores.”
I don’t understand why someone would say, “kill John Williams” if he himself wanted to spread his joy of Elfman scores. You just make yourself prey to those who like Williams and then they dislike Elfman out of spite.
You call yourself a composer, and yet you don’t acknowledge another composer’s melodic and harmonic talents. I’m also a composer, and I used to hate Opera, but you never heard me go off on how Opera was a lame horse that needed to be put out of it’s misery… no! It took until I studied Opera (and actually wrote one) to respect it, and now like it (especially modern Opera).
I hope the “kill John Williams” remark was out of jest, and even then I don’t think it was in bad taste.
Nat, who will now let you wish death upon me.
John Williams shouldn’t be killed, but someone really ought to tell him to stop now before he embarrasses himself any more.
I think the man has done some great work, and could fairly be called one of the all-time greatest film composers. But lately, everything he’s done has been just awful. Episode II was a total mess, just a sloppy, uninspired, inappropriate rehash of all the other Star Wars scores. His theme song for the 2002 Winter Olympics totally sucked. I cringed when it was debuted. I was literally thinking, “Oh my God, poor John Williams.” Has he gone tone deaf in his old age, or his he getting senile, or something? I think that if any thoughtful person compares his recent work with his older stuff, they will realize that something is very wrong. But most people just smile and nod and say “This is great!” whenever he releases something new, just because it has his name on it and they worship him, so they’re in denial.
I love the man and his overall body of work, but I really wish that someone close to him would be honest with him and say, “John, it’s time for you to retire.”
I betcha that Knight was just joking. no one should think he meant john williams should die. he just probably said it as a general thing such as saying ‘f*** you.’ to a friend as a joke. just, you know. blah. I don’t think he meant to offend and I apologize for him. though, I could be wrong and he could really wish death upon mr. williams… doubtful. I want a hug.
yes. I noticed elfman scores. I noticed all scores. but that doesn’t mean everyone notices that a violen solo is making them sad, or that a drum march is making them anticipate this or that, (these are just general examples.) I mean, it’s like I finish watching spider-man and ask my friends what they think.. kinda sensitive for action. dig tobey maguire in spandex. then I ask them ehat they thought of the music and they either think i meant that macy gray bit of blah or say, “I wasn’t really paying attention.” or a miracle happens and they say, “It was batman.” (this is as close to recongnition as they usually get and it only makes me laugh. except my best friend who says, “you just like it cuz HE wrote it.” blush blush.) doesn’t anyone agree with me?
lexi: over my dead body!
“I think that if any thoughtful person compares his recent work with his older stuff, they will realize that something is very wrong.”
Funny, there are some people who believe that about Danny Elfman.
Actually I thought (opinion only – just like yours) that the theme in A.I. was one of the most achingly beautiful things I’ve heard since Edward Scissorhands. It brings a tear to my eye every time I hear it. I don’t think I cried “just because it has his name [was] on it”. But according to you my response was a form of “denial”? No denial here baby, it was 100% emotion.
And I happened to like Episode 2’s score (not as much as Spiderman mind you), but then I’m an Elfman fan, and that could have swayed my vote for best score this year so far. Then would that mean I’m in denial because I think Elfman is great no matter how much someone bashes him. Hello denial, the playground is much more fun over here than in squaresville.
Nat
man, it didn’t matter how lovely the music was in A.I. that film just dragged on and on for and extra half hour of DOOM.
“I think that if any thoughtful person compares his recent work with his older stuff, they will realize that something is very wrong.”
I wouldn’t say that about elfman. he just tries more and more different things these days. I mean, before he mainly concentrated on his signature sounds and was just getting comfortable about scoring, but then he established hisself as a real composer, was offered more jobs, then probably got a bit bored so is now trying more and more new things with his different scores. I once read that all ideas are first laughed at, then violently oposed, and finally accepted as brilliant and new. I’m not challenging, nat, cuz you’re awesome. I’m just defending.
lexi: bibble babble yimmer yammer…
I understand Lexi, but try telling that to some of the Elfman bashers on other film music message boards. And besides, it wasn’t directed at you – your awesome as well!
I thought A.I. was better than Minority Report (as a movie and as a score) because it acts as a cautionary tale through the eyes of a post-Asimov ruled society, of how far is to far, and what actually makes us… well us! – But then again I’m a guy who believes in the validity of The Aquatic Ape Theory, so go figure.
Nat: babbling and yammering right back atcha’.
every hobby is a war, it seems. from nsync vs backstreet boys to something else.. I draw an embarassing blank. maybe it’s only in music. oh wait! ravers vs goths! no wait. that’s just something i created in my head with paranoia.
how bout this: when I was 5 I noticed edward scissorhand’s music. kinda. see, my sister was asking why i was crying and I said, ‘it was the sad music!’ in 1993 I made a note to remember that someone named danny played jack, but it wasn’t until i became re-obsessed with that film that I discovered that the same guy wrote all the music for it, too. my first impression: conceited weirdo; great singer. anyways, the point is that though I always noticed the music in films, I never really became interested in it until this year. also, think about how many people you talk to that look at you funny or say ‘who?’ when you name horner, williams, or the red guy. this issue may be an underground one but it’s mine goddammit!
I haven’t seen minority report yet but really want to. but.. if nat says A.I. was better than I donno.
lexi: impressionable, ain’t she?
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