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26 tracks?! YEEEHAWW!!
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m HYPED about this soundtrack! Even more than Spiderman! . . . I guess the “fake” article got me into this mess.
Hall of the Mountain King . . . huh . . . OK, so it’s far from conjuring thoughts of deranged cannibals, but I like it.
The artwork is also kinda nifty . . . people have been doubting that any amount of makeup can make Anothony Hopkins look younger, but if that picture on the CD is anywhere near what he looks like in the film, then they obviously succeeded.
Yeah, makeup can do wonders these days, huh?
Does that say “Music composed and produced by Danny Elfman” on the CD cover?
If so, is this the first time he has been credited with a “produced by” on the front?
Does this also mean that he had anything to do with the selections of the two classical works on the CD (and maybe there arrangement or recording)?Just a few questions I have (I would like a closer look at the back to read the info under those classical works that no doubt give who they are performed by). A reworking by Elfman of Grieg’s “In the Hall Of the Mountain King” would be really cool, no doubt about it.
Okay, perhaps it’s the last debacle, with that fictitious article originally posted by Robert… But I don’t buy this soundtrack information. Why?
1) The score wasn’t recorded in June. It hasn’t even been recorded yet!
and if that’s not enough…
Then there is no hope for the believers!!
I think it was nice for the site to link to this one, but I think they’ve been duped. I’m going to email them to let them know.
Ryan
Geez Ryan . . . I’m feeling pretty gullible now. I figured that either the article or the artwork had to be faked because of the whole recording date thing, but I’m still feeling pretty stupid.
I had my doubts when it said that the music was recorded in June of 2002. That would’ve been back-to-back recording sessions with “Red Dragon” AND “MIIB,” and they sound like they’re going to be quite different, so… I’m with Ryan on the “fakey” thing. It’s too bad, though, because I was really itchin’ for a look at “Red Dragon” stuff.
-E
Greetings to you all ! John here from the Red Dragon site. Thanks to Ryan of Film Music for contacting me about the questionable authenticity of my “exclusive” story and pictures about Danny’s Red Dragon score.
The source who supplied the info to me was convinced that Mr. Elfman has already completed scoring and recording the music, but perhaps now this is not true after all ?
Either way, if you have not yet seen the artwork scans and track list you’re in for a treat ! Check them out here :
(click on the top news story)
Thanks,
John
http://www.manhunter.netif you add up the lengths of all the tracks, you’ll get over 80 (!) minutes of music – pretty questionable too…
The Score was RECORDED in early JULY and the CDs and ARTWORK are currently being manufactured by DECCA affiliates.
-PaigeThe film isn’t released until October. So recording in July is very unlikely. The score hasn’t been recorded yet.
Quite this garbage.
Ryan
Composers write to rough cuts. they have to, otherwise the time it would take one to write a score would be only in a matter of weeks. Now RED DRAGON is not heavy on special effects at all, i’m told. The rough cut doesn’t differ from the final cut as clearly as [say…] Star Wars. That means the composer wouldn’t re-write as frantically as if it were a big FX movie.
This makes the proccess easier for a composer. That’s why the score was written and ***WAS RECORDED*** earlier this month.
But we’ll all have to wait to hear it…
PS: Ryan, 4 months isn’t a millenium
Composers write to rough cuts. they have to, otherwise the time it would take one to write a score would be only in a matter of weeks. Now RED DRAGON is not heavy on special effects at all, i’m told. The rough cut doesn’t differ from the final cut as clearly as [say…] Star Wars. That means the composer wouldn’t re-write as frantically as if it were a big FX movie.
This makes the proccess easier for a composer. That’s why the score was written and ***WAS RECORDED*** earlier this month.
But we’ll all have to wait to hear it…
PS: Ryan, 4 months isn’t a millenium
“PS: Ryan, 4 months isn’t a millenium.”
Well, if your working on a film, it IS. When I get hired to do a score, I usually have about 2 weeks to write, record and edit the music – and that does not mean that I always get the final cut of the film: I’ve done three movies where there was some major editing going on even during recording sessions – about one week before the official release! (And none of them was a “big FX movie” by the way…) Of course you have to write to very early rough cuts, but If you really want to precisely hit the action, you simply can’t rely on them. The rough cut does always heavily differ from the final cut. Even if they’ve cut out just one frame, it changes everything! Boy, I really hate filmscoring.
However: Why should anyone want to fake this? Doesn’t make sense to me…
Danny Elfman could not have written and recorded RED DRAGON, because he was writing and recording MEN IN BLACK II right up until mid-June. I mean, let’s deal with facts here, not the idea that a composer can write to a rough-cut, etc.
I know for a fact that RED DRAGON hasn’t been recorded yet.
Ryan
Ryan-
I think I agree with you. What has probably happened here is that the person who provided me with the info a) received the artwork (which is probably a rough design mockup?) and then b) heard that Elfman had “finished recording in June….” whilst this is true, perhaps the recording in question was for Men In Black II and NOT Red Dragon? That seems the most likely solution to this to me. No one has been “faking” anything, it’s just perhaps early information which has been confused along the way. Chinese whispers and all that …
But what about the track timings? Do they make mockups with fake timings?
Being a designer myself, I would probably put in some dummy times etc. if I were working on this project (IF ONLY!!!!!!!) However, the track names etc. seem far too “real” as far as I am concerned, so I don’t know what to think in this instance.
Ryan correctly pointed out before that the total time is too long for one CD, so something is wrong here. Not sure what though. As long as the score is cool I don’t care frankly !
Ah, the hunger never ends
I guess we can all agree that we won’t put much stock into any Red Dragon info untill the day the CD is finally released. Unless we see Danny Elfman himself speaking about it on TV…
Do you want to buy the tape, I have plenty of copies.
Nat
As per standard film-scoring practice (which may or may not have been adhered to in this case), one of the first things that directors and composers do is decide when each cue will start and finish.
Granted these times will undoubtedly change in the recording of the material and editing but that *could* explain the presence of timings (?)
The track titles are usually the same as the cue titles — the titles that appear on the cue sheets or sheet music which the copyists prepare for the recording sessions.
If Danny Elfman hasn’t finished writing and recording the score, these titles wouldn’t be available to any record company.
I.E., he hasn’t recorded the score, and Decca does not need 4 months to press copies of the RED DRAGON soundtrack. So the track titles are probably fan-boy fiction, taken from the book.
Until the CD titles are announced at iclassics.com, none of these exercises in creative-writing are going to be taken as fact. Or even seriously!
Ryan
In reading all of these posts on this thread, a tangential question has come up. The problem is, it will make me sound like I’m doubting Ryan. But the truth is, I’m just curious, Ryan, what are your sources? Do you have connections with an insider, Elfman’s agent, whatever? Do you have to research your information or does a trustworthy associate send it to you?
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