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dude! i thought alan silvestris pirate score was going to be the most kickass thing ive ever heard him write, and now i hear hes out? “creative differences” is all i seem to be able to find on this, but i blame this 100% on jerry bruckface.
First off, before Ryan tells you, this is a Danny Elfman site. Second off, in an unsurprising move, Silvestri has been replaced by Hans Zimmer and Klaus Badelt. And third off, Silvestri has joined the club of rejected composers of 2003.
This discussion board is so unforgiving and strict, I swear. I mean, when there’s not much else to talk about, it should be ok to delve into different matters as long as it has some sort of relevance, like FILM MUSIC. I’m sick of seeing people get crucified here for going a little off topic some times. It’s freakin rediculous. Nothing about this post seemed to contain any material intended to piss people off, which was the main thing Ryan seemed to be against. Shouldn’t it be ok for this to happen at least once in a while? If not, then I have no desire to discuss anything with you uptight fools. Also, if you consider me a hypocrite because I pissed you off, congratulations! You are an uptight fool.
I so wanted to hear what Jerry Goldsmith had done for “Timeline”. I mean, it was supposed to be his first score for a Richard Donner film since “The Omen”! And about Alan Silvestri being sacked from “Pirates of the Carrabean”, this was one of the very few scores this year that I actually was looking forward to, so therefore I really have no time or patience to listen to another “modern synthy” Hans Zimmer score.
If Silvestri couldn’t meet the needs or tastes of the producers, then I highly doubt Zimmer could. But on the contrary, this is a Bruckheimer production and nearly all of his films have had a Zimmer score so I may be wrong.
…torches and pitchforks! Enough said.
-E
Torches and Pitchforks indeed!
Nat
Hey, just for your information,
Silvestri was also replaced by ELFMAN on MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE.
I have his rejected score on CD. It’s really terrible compared to what Elfman did.Christ, SleepyHello, I was just informing the guy. I’d love to have this board open to discuss all kinds of composers, but usually such posts end up with name calling and violent threats. I can see that this one is no different.
Hmm, and what was your purpose for informing the guy? Obviously if you’d love it to be that way I’d imagine you wouldn’t help to emphasize that it isn’t that way.
And I wasn’t just talking to you, I was talking about all the times it has come up. Christ.Actually, Flynn is the one who has it. There might be copies available at http://www.screenarchivesentertainment.com.
My long lasting fear is that Bruckheimer will become involved with Superman somehow.
I am disappointed to hear Silvestri is off the project. I was looking forward to it, as Silvestri is one of the best (and most underrated) composers working today.
I’m not a huge fan of Hans Zimmer. On the other hand, his score for Muppet Treasure Island is surprisingly good. If he does something along those lines it might still be interesting.
Forrest Gump was a great score! Zimmer stinks, he says so himself! Pearl Harbor was horrible!
even Hans Zimmmer says that 99 percent of film scores stink…and Danny Elfman admits to ripping people off ( if you didn’t know, or have no idea! ) on the Peewee’s Big Adventure audio commentary
but hey, Danny is really talented at ripping people off…he does it in style
i think the reason his latest scores have been less interesting is that, as he says in the Peewee commentary ( while he was currently working on Sleepy Hollow ) he has finally gone for his own voice!
im shocked! amazing!
I give him credit…. but for all of you–start OFF with your own voice! the more you use anothers’, the harder it will be to find your own!
: )
“A good composer does not imitate; he steals.”
Now, can anyone tell me what famous composer said that?
It will surprise you, because he was known to have a very distinct voice himself.You can’t be an artist without first copying those that are around you. Don’t believe me, take a look at any painters first paintings. Dali wasn’t a surrealist at first, and Picasso only became a cubist after he had perfected a more realistic style. Any first score, or piece of art, is going to have something inherent to things that the artist experienced before (whether conscious or subconscious).
Nat
Now, who will be first with the answer to my riddle?
Igor Stravinsky
SleepyHello…
You win the big Cigar!
In a stunning 1 hour and 9 minutes.
Tune in next time for “Stump the Elfmanic”
CHEESY GAME SHOW MUSIC PLAYS
WHILE THE END CREDITS ROLL.Nat,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Game Show Host-manHehe, big shock there Nat. Stravinsky is known for constantly ripping off Moussorgsky’s style, as well as countless others, as I am sure you know. Danny may “say” he rips people off, but his stuff IS original, not directly stealing (as far as I know). Elfman adds so much of himself into his music that it does become his, no matter where he gets the idea (and I am sure that you can totally understand that too Nat).
As for Zimmer, his score for Gladiator was awesome (with the exception of the theme he DID rip off). Why anyone would say that he is a terrible composer is beyond me (like I am not big on Glass but I am not saying he sucks because of it). Would you prefer for Zimmer to be totally full of himself and say that he is the best composer ever? I think that it’s a good thing that Zimmer doesn’t think he is all that good, that means that he is willing to better himself. Besides, if he really did suck that bad, why the hell is did he ever get to be a top name composer?
jeffro: I agree, you should start off with your own voice, which is why I am against alot of music instructor’s. They are way too big on teaching about other people’s styles right away.
And Silvestri is very well known. You play almost anyone the main theme from Forrest Gump and they can pin it to the film. Kinda like Elfman and Edward Scissorhands (even though most people won’t know who the hell wrote it).
And there you have it, there opinion no one cares about.
Knight (Now what do you think of Trevor Rabin, Thomas Newman, or James Newton Howard?)
The Gladiator theme is a rip off of what? It sounds a lot like Mars from the planets to me….
John Cage, now there is someone who had Original Ideas!
Mussorgsky didn’t even use quartal harmony in his music (a trait that grew more and more prevalent in Stravinsky’s music as he progressed into the “rebel” of the early 20th century music scene). When you write a piece that people actually boo at and leave during; just to have that piece regarded as a masterpiece during your lifetime – that’s what I call pretty damned original. And plus if he did use Mussorgsky’s music as a stepping stone, dosen’t that then prove my point that out of “stealing” comes originality over time. Understanding why is a great journey!
Like I said before John Cage was an original voice, but I’d rather listen to Stravinsky who, like most composers before and after him, was just the continuation of the wonderful thing we call music.
COMPLETE Originality is impossible to attain because inspiration is inherent on experience through sight, taste, touch, and sound (glorious sound)!
“I love life because of the music contained within it!”
Nat
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