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While you are certainly entitled to an opinion, my question is, why are you spending so much time spewing it here? If Danny Elfman is no longer a great artist in your book, why not move on and take up space somewhere else?
I think everyone “here” has gotten your point, but if someone is enjoying this score, you’re not going to change their mind about that.
It seems so sad and displaced.Spielberg is still brilliant! As is Danny! He seems really happy to have been able to do two movies in a row with Tim Burton, plus write and sing songs for both. It’s really a win-win-win situation. Danny’s happy, he’s raking in the cash, and most of us have enjoyed the products.
Well…NBX set the high watermark. Corpse Bride falls well below it. Really, if you look at it, it’s not very inspired, the storyline is the same…
In what way?
…the characters are the same…
In what way?
…and the music mirrors the same…
In what way?
If you can’t see the obvious, then I guess you should check out other reviews abroad. The Plot outline is way too similar to NBX, which is why the flick has been getting such mixed reviews. I’ll give you a couple of key points, since you BADLY wanna know, K?
1: Main character goes off to the woods and encounters a world beyond his imagination.
2: Main character winds up bringing both worlds together, which ends up in chaos.
Throw in your “JACK” theme, your “SALLY” theme, an “OOGIE BOOGIE” archetype, a couple of dead kids with Danny’s voice playing one of them, a “Making Christmas”-type song and you get pretty much a carbon copy of NBX. I’d say it would be a 100% carbon if it wasn’t for the Jazz riffs Elfman incorporated, but then again, NBX had some Big Band swing in it…so it ain’t that far off.
The only real differences, you could say, would be that Emily winds up becoming the “JACK” character, in that SHE is the outsider…and you COULD also say that it’s NBX in reverse – with the real world as the main setting and the weird world as the supporting character. But that’s nitpicking.
If you guys like it…Good for you. Praise with the ones who aren’t critical about it. You know, I come in here and make a valid opinion about reasons why this isn’t such a good flick/score as I had first thought, and YOU’RE the one who waltzes in here and decides to play contrary to my subject.
And Beth…you know, it ain’t just a one-way street. You don’t have to reply, either, nor be in this thread to begin with. There are literally hundreds of other threads that are praising Elfman for this one. You came here out of your own interest. And the title DOES say “BEWARE” — so i did warn you.
any more “In what way”s and you’ll have to look it up for yourself.
Where Burton and Elfman stand in the Hollywood power structure makes absolutely no difference to how I enjoy their work.
Ryan
I think everyone should stop bashing Monster for his opinions that he expresses. They’re way different than most everyone, but he does have a right to express them just as much you have a right to express yours … however wrong they may be.
And I haven’t seen the movie or heard the score, so unfortunately I can’t comment for that, but I will say CATCF is a hell of a score.
Well…I think it’s better than Corpse…But I also happen to think the score to the Devil’s Rejects is some top notch ambience, so what can I say?
OK I’ll be honest with you…there’s ONE cue in the score that’s good. ONLY one….
When the Bride pops out and chases Victor…that’s it. Only that one.
Thanks for the vote Dantzy…you’re alright.
Ryan – people say that status means nothing in this world, but it does. Usually the ones who say it means nothing are the ones on the higher tier, if you get me…because all they gotta look at from the top of the tree are smiling faces all the way down….the ones climbing? They get a good look at the buttholes. Point of view – it’s not just for breakfast.
Those comparisons are kind of vague: the Main character goes off to the woods and encounters a world beyond his imagination? You could find the same parallels in North by Northwest, or Rules of the Game (ha, ha, just kidding, well, kind of.)
“Making Christmas”-type song…
A Making Christmas-type song? Which one would that be?
At any event, musically, Corpse Bride is an altogether different animal.
Nightmare is completely Wagnerian, in that the themes/songs are interweaved all throughout the score. The leitmotif is so impressive; often enough, we only hear fragments of the 9 themes, as opposed to Corpse Bride, which is almost mono-thematic. There’s a single, strong theme that is heard in nearly every cue. Secondary themes, like Emily’s and so on, are used sparingly and economially.
Even the orchestral color differs some: Nightmare has far more a fairytale slant to it — with the celeste played frequently — where Corpse Bride is more Victorian, and is identified more with the harpsichord and organ.
Well, there’s only popular opinion that’s going to rule on this one, and the reviews are mixed, wether it be Wagnerian or not…Still an unoriginal piece of work as far as i’m concerned.
The Wedding Song and Making Christmas are very comperable. The fact that you’re fighting this tooth and nail suggests you’re just disagreeing for the sake of the disagreement alone, so i’ll leave it at that…
Well, there’s only popular opinion that’s going to rule on this one, and the reviews are mixed, wether it be Wagnerian or not…
Are you talking about Nightmare or Corpse Bride? Corpse Bride is well-reviewed.
Still an unoriginal piece of work as far as i’m concerned.
What have you done differently?
The Wedding Song and Making Christmas are very comperable.
No there not! Can you back this up at all?
No, I gotta get Monster’s back on this. I won’t see the movie until tomorrow, but “The Wedding Song” and “Making Christmas” definitely have similarities. Both are sung by the “dead” who are organizing something foreign to them; NBC was Christmas, Corpse Bride is a wedding. Both songs have a similar feel to them. My opinion might change after I see the movie, so perhaps most of you who’ve seen it already might prove me wrong.
Spare me interviews. You gotta read more reviews, and not just the headlines, or what you wanna read.
Both are sung by the “dead” who are organizing something foreign to them; NBC was Christmas, Corpse Bride is a wedding.
Yeah, but musically, they’re dissimilar.
Spare me interviews. You gotta read more reviews, and not just the headlines, or what you wanna read.
It got 82% at Rotten Tomatoes. That’s better than the acclaimed Crash.
Finally got to see it this afternoon in what may be the last movie I see in a local theater of mine. In 10 days, the only theater in Salem, Massachusetts is slated to close. It’s tragic. Anyway, I really loved the movie. Sure, it was short, but you really can’t go too long with stop-motion, considering the length of time required to make it. I had hoped that the movie would be kinda narrated by Bonejangles, and I was surprised at how little of him was used. Other than that, I thought it was a very cute movie with a great score and fun songs.
I think it’s funny how the review has no idea how the jazz ties in with the rest of the score in the real world… ummm dipshit the jazz and all that represents how the after life is better than the drab boring real life that victor lives in. I’m surprised that the reviewer wasn’t confused by the fact that the real world was not in color, but the afterlife was. and that is why i have no respect for reviewers, they just feel they can say what they wan’t and nobody will think otherwise.
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