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I’ll start this off by saying I am a huge fan of Elfman and his work, starting off with “Beetlejuice”. “Batman” had me hooked, then I got married and well, kinda got out of listening to a lot of music scores.
I’ve recently reacquired some Elfman stuff; “Spider-man” and “The Family Man” being the most recent.
I also came across a soundtrack this last week that I listened to and marveled at how some of the cue sounded like Elfman’s work, but also, had their own style.
While this may be an Elfman fan board, I think all of us here are fans of good film music no matter the composer/conductor. I have spent the last two days pounding Basil Poledouris’ “Quigley Down Under” into my head, and I have to say, I’m both a fan of this film and of the music represented. Absolutely stunning cues, and very thematic..but just to a point.
I’d recommend this score to anyone, not just Western genre fans, as it had me humming the two primary cues for days on end after I would view the film (I’ve seen it more than a few times). When the chance arose to purchase the score, I did so without hesitation. The use of guitars and banjos in this score worked amazingly well for the preconceived notions I have of how film scores should be written.
I found myself at different points of the score, and upon watching the movie earlier this evening again, asking myself “how would Danny have scored this if given the chance”. Remember, this film was made in 1990. To me, it almost sounds like Basil then sounds alot like Danny now…of course, I’m not accusing plagiarism, because both have different styles to the use of specific instruments, but I believe the progression and cue tempo are quiet similiar.
Anyone have any thoughts on this??
If you’re looking for Elfman-sounding scores, try Poledouris’ Robo-Cop which has a similar tone to that of Batman, or Starship Troopers which is an amazing action-packed score, and if you’re into the more lighter side of film music, check out For Love of the Game. They each demonstrate Poledouris’ versatility as a composer and are somewhat comparable to a few Danny Elfman scores.
Have you heard Thomas Newman`s The Lost Boys, that if nothing else is a typical Danny Elfman score that he didn`t do
Elliot Goldenthal’s style sounds a lot like Elfman’s in the scores I’ve heard.
and dont forget all of those car and jewelry commmercials!
i think its sick
remember all of those “American Beauty” prototypes?!!?!
like to make it emotional, put a few soft strings and slow piano in there!
(forced emotion)
Even though I know Danny is a hack, I still think he is very talented, and I admire that. Just for the “trio” (Beetjuice, Edward, Nightmare) I’ll always respect him
but still, I think Nino Rota, Bernard Herrmann and whoever else… is/was angry
and dont forget all of those car and jewelry commmercials!
i think its sick
remember all of those “American Beauty” prototypes?!!?!
like to make it emotional, put a few soft strings and slow piano in there!
(forced emotion)
Even though I know Danny is a hack, I still think he is very talented, and I admire that. Just for the “trio” (Beetjuice, Edward, Nightmare) I’ll always respect him
but still, I think Nino Rota, Bernard Herrmann and whoever else… is/was angry
Well, actually I don’t listen to any other composers on a regular basis. I mean, if I’m watching a movie, or catch something on the radio, then I’ll make a mental note of who wrote it, and be done with ’em.
I don’t know why Danny’s the only composer I’m obsessed with–it just happened to work out that way. I mean, if there were someone else out there, and I started noticing that I liked all of their stuff–then yes, I’d become an obsessed fan of their work, as well….
But bottom line is, I don’t think anyone else does what Danny does in quite the same way. (That’s not to say I think everything he has ever done is the greatest stuff in the entire world–just the vast majority of it)!
Then again, I don’t know a flat from a sharp….I just tend to know what I like, personally.
(If Danny’s a “hack” I’ll mentally insert what I think of the vast majority of other composers are and/or were)….
Danny’s a hack, eh? Ever listened to “Star Wars” and Beethoven’s 5th? You’ll notice a few striking similarities… Enough said.
-E
A hack? I disagree completely.
Danny’s work was/is groundbreaking. He actually put a name to a composer other than J trifecta (John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, John Barry), and demonstrated that good film score music can be derived from modern sources as well as the classics.
I think my top five composers of film music right now, in this order:
1. Danny Elfman
2. John Williams (just because he is so in your face).
3. Basil Poledouris (made a big move on my list in the last month).
4. John Barry (I still listen to his “Dances With Wolves” score as often as possible).
5. Jerry Goldsmith.Oklahomaborn, which is the favorite scores by the composers you mentioned?
Dances With Wolves i clearly understand but the others?Oklahomaborn, which is the favorite scores by the composers you mentioned?
Dances With Wolves i clearly understand but the others?Oklahomaborn, which is the favorite scores by the composers you mentioned?
Dances With Wolves i clearly understand but the others?If you want hear music that sounds like Danny Elfman, then listen to Elfman scores!
wow that was clever
:Wow that was clever:
No kidding…
See? And I tried to be nice and not name names!
If you love Elfman’s Pee-Wee style, get into Nino Rota. You can sample cues from such scores as 8 1/2 and Amarcord over at http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com….
The most, you would call, Elfman-ish is “Il Casanova”, I think most Elfman fans would love that score.and dont forget all of those car and jewelry commmercials!
i think its sick
remember all of those “American Beauty” prototypes?!!?!
like to make it emotional, put a few soft strings and slow piano in there!
(forced emotion) <==do you know what the hell you are talking about? I sure don't. Even though I know Danny is a hack, I still think he is very talented, and I admire that. Just for the “trio” (Beetjuice, Edward, Nightmare) I’ll always respect him <==A hack. Of all the people you could call a hack (James Horner comes to mind, who ripps off his own scores) you call Danny Elfman a hack. Are you retarded or just stupid? Every composer you listen to will have a similer sound to another composer, be it recent or long dead. Music has been around for over a thousand years so if you feel like saying that he is "ripping" someone off, do your homework. Listen to his more unheard of scores (Freeway, To Die For, ect.) and figure out that Danny is about as original as they come. On top of all that, Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands and The Nightmare Before Christmas where all original as well. He used an orchestra for them, and orchestras have been in use for (again) over a thousand year so maybe they sound like something else to you, but listen to what they sound like and you will find a ton of differences. but still, I think Nino Rota, Bernard Herrmann and whoever else… is/was angry <==Composers used to use rythmic patterns, motiefs and other things from other composers to pay tribute to them. I bet you could find a billion to Beethoven, and this was concidered an honour. Yet you seem to think that if someone utilizes a certain thing that another composer has done before, it is an insult. Think about all the students in film school right now, what do you think they are learning? To use techniques that have already been used a thousand times. So I suppose I have proved my point. Danny Elfman is, in my opinion, the most original composer in hollywood, and would probably slap you for saying something so stupid. Now next time think twice before coming to a fan forum and posting that you don't like someone who everyone here loves. You need to do a little researching next time, so that you don't sound like a total moron. Knight (Who doesn’t like hacks or people who call people who arn’t hacks hacks, GOT IT?!?!)
Ladies, gents, and hacks –
What’s a hack? *grins*
-E (who would still like to be cute and annoying, not just annoying)
“(forced emotion) <==do you know what the hell you are talking about? I sure don't." – It’s when typical music is played to arise an emotion. Like to make sad music: use slow violins and/or piano …scary music: stabs and distorted vocals…
I know what I’m talking about because I am a film scorer. Forcing someone to feel a certain way becuase of the music over visuals is disgusting… basically cheesy dramatic like Air Force One.“A hack… you call Danny Elfman a hack. Are you retarded or just stupid?”
– which do you prefer? becuase you’ve already pre-judged me on both
“Every composer you listen to will have a similer sound to another composer, be it recent or long dead.”
– no, not all. that is ignorant. have you seen all Russian, Japanese, German, Czech etc.. films? from some of the foreign films I have seen, there is much originality.
“Music has been around for over a thousand years so if you feel like saying that he is “ripping” someone off, do your homework.”
– So I take it you’ve studied every piece of music over the last 1000 years? while I cant match that, I have studied Danny for over 6 years, and have seen every film he has scored, and have compared his music to many composers, living AND dead.
“Listen to his more unheard of scores (Freeway, To Die For, ect.) and figure out that Danny is about as original as they come.”
– I have, and their not
“On top of all that, Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands and The Nightmare Before Christmas where all original as well.”
– do you have any proof here? or are you just talking from “experiance”?
“He used an orchestra for them, and orchestras have been in use for (again) over a thousand year so maybe they sound like something else to you, but listen to what they sound like and you will find a ton of differences.”
– you have a very obscure way of explaining things…
– jeffro
“Now next time think twice before coming to a fan forum and posting that you don’t like someone who everyone here loves. You need to do a little researching next time, so that you don’t sound like a total moron.”
lol (how long have you been posting here?)
you already sounded like a moron for me.
cheers
Ah, c’mon kids, what you need is a warm glass of milk and a few cookies! That stops arguments like none other
What do you say…warm milk and cookies, or arguing over an internet message board…well, at the very least, I know which one *I’d* choose…-E (who has some tofu in her fridge. Warm tofu and milk, anyone? Oh wait, maybe that was warm *milk* and tofu…)
and dont forget all of those car and jewelry commmercials! i think its sick member all of those “American Beauty” prototypes?!!?! like to make it emotional, put a few soft strings and slow piano in there! (forced emotion) <=
meant ALL of that. It makes no sense.
It’s when typical music is played to arise an emotion. Like to make sad music: use slow violins and/or piano …scary music: stabs and distorted vocals…
I know what I’m talking about because I am a film scorer. Forcing someone to feel a certain way becuase of the music over visuals is disgusting… basically cheesy dramatic like Air Force One. <==It's called ambience, and the whole REASON why it is used is to further convey emotions expressed by the film. It's how it is used that will make it interesting (like Danny Elfman's shrieking strings on Red Dragon where not like anything I have heard before), but you seem to think that all of these "forced emotions" are the same.
which do you prefer? becuase you’ve already pre-judged me on both <==Pre-judged? Ever heard of sarcasm?
no, not all. that is ignorant. have you seen all Russian, Japanese, German, Czech etc.. films? from some of the foreign films I have seen, there is much originality. <==Yes, they will. There will always be a similar sound that has been done before. Whether or not the composer or the listener realizes it, it has. Even those "Japanese, German, Czech" films have, and if you listen to enough music, you will find it. Remeber, 1,000 years is a long time, and makes for a whole krapload of music.
So I take it you’ve studied every piece of music over the last 1000 years? while I cant match that, I have studied Danny for over 6 years, and have seen every film he has scored, and have compared his music to many composers, living AND dead. <==No one could. There is more music in the world than any person can listen to in 50 lifetimes, without breaks. You have studied Danny's music for over 6 years because you thought he was a hack? That makes sense. And you cannot compare his nor anyone's music with all the music that was written before tham, there is just too much. Besides, have you ever heard that composer's are influenced by other composers? Such as Beethoven's influence from Mozart (like Elfman's to Herrman).
I have, and their not <==So I take it that you have heard such things as mixing childish themes with metal music, and mixing strange choirs, distorted guitars, symphonic instuments, percussion, and an extremely jazzy sound before? I think not.
do you have any proof here? or are you just talking from “experiance”? <==Do you? Where did Danny get those themes? Do you have the acual piece that the theme came from? Is it exactly the same? Is the orchestration the same? No, because it was original.
you have a very obscure way of explaining things… <==Orchestral techniques have been used time and time again by different composers. Because of the instruments and thier usage, you might think that one piece sounds alike to another piece (such as some people saying that a certain band sounds like another band because they used the same techniqe and instruments, yet it was not the same style). But the style is where is will be different. Get it?
you already sounded like a moron for me. <= care, really I do. You post on a fan discussion board saying that the person we are fans to is a hack. You acually go out of your way to prove that he is, by wasting 6 years of your life to study his music. You claim to be a composer, yet your music no doubt is influenced by the people you heard growing up, and your still try and say that Danny is a hack. I would shudder to hear your music if you are so pigheaded about others music (no, there is no way in hell you are better than Danny Elfman). Why did you waste your time here? I wasted mine because I view Danny as a extremly talented, brilliant composer who can convey emotion better than any other composer I have ever heard, and if someone is going to rag on him, someone should stand up for him too. But I would go to James Horner’s fansite and post that I didn’t like something he did. James Horner as well is an etremly talented person, and he deserves respect, as well as any composer, and for anyone to go and tell the fans that he sucks is just stupid. Here is an idea, stop wasting your life by trying to pull apart music and just let yourself experience it for what it is, not how it was done. But, of course, you won’t listen to me and continue to try and pull apart everyone’s music trying to see what is wrong with it. Who is the Moron again?Knight (Why me?)
But I would go to James Horner’s = But I wouldn’t go to James Horner’s
Knight (who writes typos like anyone else)
To Jefro…..If your a “Film scorer”, good luck to ya……you should be praising any and all film scorers before you, without them you would not be able to give yourself that label. I’de like to hear your work…..please E-mail me if you have any material.
p.s. Elfman is not a hack. Your acting like a punk ass gangster by bad-mouthing a fellow composer. It’s all music and must be respected, be it to your liking or not. Don’t act so childish.
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