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OK someone help me here. I recently found out from a music director what an orchestrator does. Apparently when you orchestrate, you get the melody and disperse it among parts on music and break everyhting up so it all blends well in theband/orchestra/etc. If this is so, then Steve Bartek is not getting enough recognition for his work. I love Danny to death but if all he does is write a simple part and Steve then takes that and decides who plays what and actually makes the music for the orchestra, then we are going to have serious issues with Danny. Will someone please post and conquer, disagree or better explain to me what the hell is going on between the composer/orchestrator relationship between Danny and Stever Bartek.
Oh man, you are so wrong it hurts. Ouch. I would explain to you the responsibilities that Steve Bartek has, but I’m a lazy bastard, and am sure somebody else will.
Danny writes the whole score. Bartek takes that score and orchestrates it (distributes it among the right number of instruments, transposes for the right instruments etc..).
Many composers have their own orchestrator, mainly because of time constraints. The orchestrators don’t write the composer’s music, they take the composer’s work and get it ready for the performers.
Precisely. I’ve never understood why this is such a common misconception.
Not sure if this does apply to most film composers, pretty sure it does though, certainly does to theatre composers.
The composer writes a detailed piano score (sometimes with some cues for the orchestral instruments) and the orchestrator writes the orchestral parts from this. Not ideal, though I do understand that most film composers do this because they do not have enough time and most of the time you will see the composer listed along with the other orchestrator under “Orchestrations by”
I agree that Steve Bartek and all orchestrators do not get enough credit, it’s a tough job (speaking from experience here, as a composer and sometime-orchestrator). However, Danny did orchestrate some of his scores, if the credits say sooth.
They both deserve credit. Steve Bartek is an importnat part of Elfman, so I believe they deserve recognition.
By the way, does anyone here know how I can contact Steve Bartek?
Ryan should put up a page that lists how you can contact everyone in the world.
>By the way, does anyone here know how I can contact Steve Bartek?
Try this: First go to http://www.stevebartek.com. Then click on the “music”-link (it’s the third link in the pink “Entertainment”-box). A page will show up where you should click on the first link (Conservatory of Recording Arts(Science). Then fill out the form. You will be directed to homepage of an Audio Recording School. Apply for the school. Start working in a studio – try Air Studios or Abby Road. Become the personal assistant of Dennis Sands. Wait for Steve Bartek to show up while you’re recording and mixing Danny’s latest score. Then talk to him.
Ok, orchestration has become MUCH different lately. J.R. was right, in part, about how orchestrations used to be done (and still are with certain composers who write on the piano, like Williams and Portman). With the new sampling products available, a composer can acually write for the instruments as they go along, which is what Danny does. I believe that Bartek acually just adds a bit more to the orchestrations that Danny has already come up with, making it sound more full and lush. They can also add effect with certain scores, like Shore’s Seven where he and his orchestrators were working with alot of ambient bowed percussion. Tell me if I am wrong people.
Knight (Who believes that sooner or later there will not be many orchestrators left)
Orchestrators in film scores are just a way to speed up the process.
Nat
THANKS SO MUCH GUYS AND GALS FOR EXPLAINING THIS TO ME. I WAS SO WORRIED I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IN DANNY. BUT ALL FAITH IS RENEWED BECAUSE OF ALL OF YOU AND IF ANYOEN KNOWS FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE OF AND EXACT SCORING PROCESS…PLEASE CONTACT ME ON HERE.
-FUTURE FILM COMPOSER
I have some…..
What exactly do you want to know?
Everything please
These guys have known each other forever and work together like pieces inside a fine watch. Trust me.
Have you ever worked with someone that was so tuned in to your style and groove that they knew what you were thinking at the same time as you did. That is how Steve and Danny work. I have seen them in action (although it was a few years ago, I am sure that they have not changed a great deal).
-Jeff (from L.A. Driver)
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