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Hey guys,
I heard from someone else that music from “Edward Scissorhands” is played when Batman is climbing the ladder to save the Ice Princess in “Batman Returns.”
Is this true?
Btw, it wouldn’t be on the soundtrack because it only has “Rooftops” which takes place AFTER he “saves” the Ice Princes and confronts Catwoman. This would be before that.
No music from EDWARD SCISSORHANDS is in BATMAN RETURNS.
Ryan
how come expanded scores of batman and returns haven’t been made, I’ve always dreamt of hearing the isolated music when batman punches that skinny clown and flings him easily out of his way then blows up the fat clown with the timer bomb, ah bliss
Re-use fees. $$$. Plus, Warner Bros. isn’t the easiest studio to license music from.
Ryan
Ahh, good. I’m glad.
I also heard from someone else that a cue from the Batman Vs. The Circus track later became “Making Christmas’ for THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, but I don’t think that’s true (along with the Edward Scissorhands thing).
I really hate all those people who say that Elfman recycles music.
Who are these people and why are they not medicated?
You did the right thing coming here and asking!!
Ryan
i agree…. i don’t think elfman recycles music either. its just that Batman Returns, Edward Scissorhands and NMBC were all made right around the same time, so of course they are gonna sound similar.
There is nothing wrong with recycling music anyway. The best composers of the Golden Age did it all the time, and even reused movie scores as a fertile ground for material when they wrote “serious” concert pieces. If there was a theme in a movie that didn’t do anything at the box-office Miklos Rozsa would use the (or a variation of it) in another film. Nina Rota even fell victim to the “original score” rule when his score for Godfather was deemed ineligible when it was discovered that a theme in the film was actually from a earlier concert work he did (He later received a posthumous award for the score to Godfather 2 which included the same theme?).
Nat (who has noticed that Michael Kamen likes to reuse themes from films in his concert works: Saxophone Concerto, New Moon “Symphony”, ect.)
Recycling in musical scores is occurs occasionally to all composers. E.g. the very famous trumpet fanfare from Andrew LLoyd Webber’s Jesus Christ Superstar (you know: Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, Who are you, what have you sacrificed?) was actually first heard in his Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat as a small part of another song.
Incidently ALW claims that the fanfare came to him while sitting in an cafe long after Joseph came out.
ch
Yeah, the guys that were talking about Elfman recycling music really don’t know crap about him. I came here just to prove that they were wrong.
I guess I did.
I’ve heard EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, SCROOGED, and BATMAN RETURNS. None of them have recycled cues or anything that I know of. They just have a similar feel to them because they all have the general setting of Christmastime, which is when Danny brings in the choir and lullaby music.
The only recycled music in BATMAN RETURNS is the Batman theme itself (and even that was in a different key during the main titles)!!!
I think we can Family Man to that list even though it does contain some rock elements…
I’m not trying to trash the man — he’s my favorite — but every composer uses and reuses musical sketches now and then. Whether that’s called “recycling” or not is up to you.
For example, a melodic line from “To Die For” shows up note for note in “Men In Black,” only each note is doubled. A harmonic line in the main titles of “Batman Returns” later becomes the Melody line in the main theme of “Mars Attacks!” Were these deliberate or coincidental? No idea, but they ARE recycled lines of music.
This is nothing new. Franz Schubert wrote a song called “The Trout” which he later used as a theme in the Quintet of the same name. That’s one famous example, but the list goes on and on.
And frankly, I don’t see it as a problem or a smudge on a person’s reputation. No, the smudge would be using someone ELSE’s themes in one’s own music.
indeed
“I heard from someone else that music from “Edward Scissorhands” is played when Batman is climbing the ladder to save the Ice Princess in “Batman Returns.'”
BatmAngelus, you can hear the Batman theme during that music beat.
“And frankly, I don’t see it as a problem or a smudge on a person’s reputation. No, the smudge would be using someone ELSE’s themes in one’s own music.”
Agreed. Even the greatest of film composers – Herrmann, Rozsa, Korngold – all reuse musical material. It’s impossible not to.
Thanks Bodi.
“No, the smudge would be using someone ELSE’s themes in one’s own music.”
It’s not just the fact that someone USES another’s themes in their music – that is not terribly wrong at all. It’s the fact that someone doesn’t credit where the music originally came from.
Take the Goldsmith score for Supergirl for instance: when the poster of Superman appears Goldsmith states John Williams’ theme, but Goldsmith credits John Williams with this theme, so no problem. Another example being Shostakovich using Rossini in his 15th Symphony, or anyone who does a Variation on a theme that isn’t theirs (i.e. Rachmaninoff’s Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini)
However, there are times when someone does this, but they don’t credit the given composer, and that is when the true “smudge” comes in.
Nat
Yes, thank you for modifying my comment, Nat. That’s what I MEANT, but failed to type it all in.
No problem Brian,
And thanks for not getting upset with me for adding to your statement (I’ve notice some people have shorter tempers on this board than others
)Nat
Only if you try to tell me 2001: A Space Odyssey was a good movie. Then I will explode with vile hatred.
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