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Ok, the Academy nominations are coming up, so lets all hope and pray (to any god of your choise) that Elfman gets his nominations. If it where me, I would have to put up both Spider-man and Red Dragon because they where both awesome scores. Either one will do though. I think it is about time that Elfman gets the props he deserves.
Knight (Crossing his fingers)
i agree fully on that! Spiderman and Red Dragon where awesome scores but, there not the ones of his that give me chills, make me cry or move me…i guess what i’m trying to say is that i wish we could turn back time and give him the academy award for edward scissorhands, black beauty or even…DAMN, let’s just give it to him for all his movies!! hmm….maybe i’m a little too excited about this subject, it just makes me sad that hollywood doesn’t realize when they have something special….and i guess they never will….
xmasgrl83
They have to! Announcements are min. away…(please, please, please!!!)
Knight (The non-Academy man)
Well, I was wrong (and I am not surprised), Elfman is not up for krap. You gotta love how these things are. I think the only think that was nominated for anything that Danny has been heavily involved in was Sound for Spider-man and Visual Effects for Spider-man. If anyone has not heard, here are the score nominations:
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN (Williams could sh*t something out and it would still get nominated)
FAR FROM HEAVEN (Didn’t see it but I hear good things)
FRIDA (Didn’t see it and haven’t heard anything about it)
THE HOURS (Ok, this one should be there, even though I am not a big fan of Glass)
ROAD TO PERDITION (Definatly. This is the only nomination that I am truely thrilled about, because it was an awesome awesome score. Big props to Newman)Most odd, Spielburg wasn’t up for a nomination for directing….anyhow, I am wondering why Peter Jackson wasn’t put up for director (and Raimi for that matter), where is Shore’s LOTR score, and why oh why didn’t Danny get nominated?!? I am gonna picket!!!!
Knight (Hope I have been helpful. For a full list, go to http://www.oscar.com/nominees/nomineelist.html , I will go punch a hole through my wall now)
Fairly obvious movies like Spider-man and Red Dragon would get snubbed, what with them actually being good and all….
(Pah! They always give the awards to artsy chick flicks)!
Fairly obvious movies like Spider-man and Red Dragon would get snubbed, what with them actually being good and all….
(Pah! They always give the awards to artsy chick flicks)!
this was what i’d been waiting for since last yeeeeear! this was supposed to be *his* year!
lexi: the pain.. THE PAIN!
I wasn’t to thrilled with the Best Picture nominees this year. This are the movies I would have chosen:
*The Road to Perdition
*Insomnia
*Red Dragon (I thought it was better than Silence of the Lambs)
*Adaptation
*Death to Smoochy (I don’t care what people have said about this movie, I love it.)“I am wondering why Peter Jackson wasn’t put up for director”
The reason a film is nominated but not the director, is because that directors do the nominations for the directors. It’s like that in every category i.e. Composers nominate Composers, Designers nominate Designers, and so on. The only category that all Academy Members nominate is Best Picture, so sometimes the directors don’t match the Pictures. And of course the entire Academy votes for the winners (composers and all).
As for the nominations, I’m happy with all of them – however if one was bumped off and Danny inserted, I would be even happier. The only one of the 5 that isn’t in my top 10 best of last year is Frida (but I happen to be a Goldenthal fan, so him winning would be great anyway).
“where is Shore’s LOTR score”
The category is for best ORIGINAL score, so anything with themes from Fellowship of the Ring would not be eligible, so take out all that and what you are left with would be the only music you could consider for an award. Empire Strikes Back was nominated for best score, but that score add so much more NEW material (Yoda’s theme, Darth Vader’s theme, Han and Leia’s theme) that dominated the score (watch it again and you’ll see). But if you listen to The Two Tower think about how many times you hear the Fellowship theme, the shire theme, or Gollum’s theme (that was only hinted at in the first one, but would also not be original to the second film). The Rohan theme (is GREAT IMHO) and the material for the Ents – along with other miscellaneous bits – would be the only things considered.
In fact the Academy Rules Committee is going to change the rules next time to make it impossible to nominate a sequel (or prequel for that matter) score if it uses ANY themes for the pervious movie. So while The Two Towers was eligible this year The Return Of The King will not be next year. They actually tried to add the rule this year, but some of the filmmakers for The Lord Of The Rings got mad, and stopped them from adding it now.
Nat (wow I didn’t plan on writing that much)
When he’s dead and gone, they’re gonna’ regret this.
Ah Nat my friend, I already know all this. Jackson should have gotten nominated because HE IS AN AWESOME DIRECTOR and he did an awesome job on The Two Towers. If the whole “not using previous themes” is true, why the hell did Horner’s “A Beautiful Mind” get put up before, since it used themes from a ton of Honers old films. Its FIXED I tell you! LOTR Two Towers should have been a large force this year, but Chicago (a musical no less) was for some reason I can’t even understand, and don’t EVEN get me started on Gangs of New York (Though Daniel Day-Lewis kicked ass in that film).
Knight (All I am saying is that we are not all as stupid as some may think)
Then why care?
If you think, like most rational people do, that awarding anything in the arts “THE BEST” is a waste of time, then don’t get worked up about it. I don’t get even the slightest bit upset over Elfman being passed over (or anyone else for that matter) because it changes nothing for me – his music is still going to delight me (even sans award). And since we can never walk in someone else’s’ shoes, the only person that should always count is you. But if your angry with the way things at the Academy are run, then do something about it. Become a powerful producer with sway and change the system – but remember, once you do that then your not as good as anyone who is making their will know through the Academy right now.
I say all of this with a sympathetic tone, so don’t take all of this very hard – please.
Nat
I don’t care much for awards myself–I mean, it’d be nice if some other people realized how great Danny is, but I’m not gonna sit around waiting for it to happen.
I mean, awards are made up to pretty much say this person is better than that person and all–and I’m thinking as long as someone’s doing something creative it’s worth the effort (even if I don’t like a certain movie, book, composition, etc)….bad art’s better than no art and all, and such.
But it would be nice if good art got recognized every once in awhile (although, come to think of it, it would be rather scary if I agreed with the vast majority of society on something)!
I suppose it comes down to this: I just wish romance and drama (and even comedy) didn’t always always always always always (maybe one more) always come before action and/or horror movies.
Likewise, I wish good scripts and solid plots would come before special effects and fancy tricks–but I don’t think that’s ever going to happen. And, if it did, it still wouldn’t be awarded in an action or horror genre….
(I stopped watching the award shows oh so long ago)….
peter jackson awesome director???
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You’ve got to admit that Dead Alive (Brain Dead) was a touch of Greatness.
Actually, to me, Dead Alive, is still his most entertaining film. And I find The Frighteners to be very underrated.
I don’t think he can be put up there with the Best Directors of today. It will depend highly on what he does post LOTR. LOTR is not the work of one man, the vision and guidance is Jackson’s, but I’m more optimistic about how many of the second unit directors will now get a break to direct on their own out of the LOTR experience. Everyone on the LOTR’s creative staff seems to be highly committed in making the best movies they can – who would, realistically, ask for more than that?
Nat – not me.
ian mac kellin: I think you are a little too giddy.
Nat: I totally agree, Dead Alive was awesome. I think he has also blown us all away with LOTR too, second unit directors or not. And The Frighteners was really out of the norm, which is why I think he is an awesome director. Sorry, people who do the same old thing justget boring. Top Directors in my book:
Tim Burton (Duh)
Peter Jackson (Laugh all you want)
Sam Raimi (Even Elfman thinks Evil Dead 2 was a classic)
Darren Aronofsky (Requiem for a Dream totally blew me away)
M. Night Shyamalan (Signs also blew me away)And there you have it.
Knight (I watch too many movies)
The best directors/ writers working today “hands down” (for me anyway) are the Coen Brothers.
None of their movies have failed to grab me. Waiting for what they do next is like a wrapped present lying under a tree. When opened it might not be what I want, but at least I will have fun with it and no one else will be getting me the same thing.
As for my other favorites, sure Burton will be there, and so would Spielberg and Kevin Smith (for his writing because visually his style is nonexistent). Go ahead and spew what you will about the latter, I’m still a fan of most of their output.
But right now I’ve moved away from the normal “Hollywood” fare and now I’m gravitating towards independent films and documentaries like:
A Better Place
American Movie
Vulgar
Dog Soldiers
Bowling for Columbine
Ginger Snaps
CrumbAlso animated films today have better stories and scripts than 80% of what is actually produced through live action. Just to work in the story division of places like Pixar, Disney, and DreamWorks Animation would be a hoot.
Nat
My favorite “indie” films, in no particular order are:
Boondock Saints (yeah, go ahead and laugh)
Miss Wonton (seen somewhat on accident; lovely film about the realities of immigrant life in the 21st century)
Invincible (gotta love any new film in black-and-white)
Waking Life (existentialism, yeah baby!)
Bowling for Columbine (anything that makes you despise the guy who played Moses is just great)
Dancer in the Dark (watch that and then try to support the death penalty! It disturbed me for days afterward, and it’s the only film that’s ever made me cry uncontrollably…no person or experience has ever done that before…think what you want. I was never a fan of hers before, but Bjork gave the most riveting performance I’ve EVER seen by an actor/actress, not to mention that the soundtrack – done in conjunction with the guy from Radiohead – is top notch…the last song is absolutely heartbreaking. This is my #1 favorite film, hands down)
-E (who also didn’t plan to write so much!)
How could I leave off Boondock Saints – anyone who likes Quentin Tarintino (sp?) should run out right now and get that DVD – and anyone who dosen’t like him might like it anyway.
I also forgot Drawing Flies – finally a teen movie about Bigfoot (and at less than an hour anyone can sit through it).
Nat
I tend to stick with what I like–then again, there’s not much of a selection around here.
Best you can do if you wanna see an Indie flick is wait until Blockbuster picks it up–and even then, there’s only one title, and it takes awhile to get a hold of it….
So, I primarily focus on Tim Burton and Sam Raimi–their work consistantly knocks my socks off. And, I like what M. Night Shyamalan does a lot–what with his movie scripts actually being wrote well and all (sometimes a little corny towards the end–but entertaining, nonetheless)….
I do love Donnie Darko (directed by Richard Kelly), though–despite not knowing anything else Kelly’s done. And I thought Dagon was good, for being a direct-to-video release. And Devil’s Backbone was impressive, for a foreign film.
(See, my movies are dated, because of the lack of interest in this town)!
And I used to watch Exposure, which isn’t nearly as scandalous as it sounds (it’s a program that showcases short films) all the time, but I haven’t seen it in quite awhile, and therefore am lead to believe–like all good things–that it’s done and gone with–ate by zombies, or somthing….
Well, you have 2 kinds of indie films, you have indie films, and budgeted indie films. For example, Boondock Saints wasn;t really an independant film (they acually had a decent budget), but The Five Stages of Unemployment (You can watch it on http://www.reelmind.com) is. One has a good budget, one doesn’t. I think there should be something to seperate this because while I do like some of the higher budget stuff, I always have fun seeing what people can do with absolutly nothing.
The Normal method that a composer goes through (but Danny was lucky enough to bypass) is starting by scoring these “no budget” films for NOTHING. It is a good place to hear new talent (though I can’t say I have heard anyone that really blew me away yet). Basically, I don’t think that a film that has a few investors is a indie film, but one that is totally privately funded is. For example, Evil Dead had a few backers when Raimi, Campbell and Tapert set out into the woods, so that isn’t really “indepandant” funding. Yet any film that basically is funded by all the people that are making it (actors, director, producers, ect.) and not by any third party is.
Now that I have said all this, you can all forget about it because who cares right? But support the indie films! Watch them! They are usually either really bad so you can just laugh all the way through, or they are really good (but those are few and far between). Give these people feedback after you watch thier films, the director, the composer, tell them what you thought was good or bad, because they are making these films for you to watch, so tell them what you want to see. This may seem like a pain but you just might end up talking to the next Tim Burton.
Happy Viewing!
Knight (The indie-film fan)
So your say that George Lucas’ films are in the same category as something like Kevin Smith’s Clerks because they both were entirely funded by the filmmaker? The world of indie filmmaking is too diverse to categorize – how about government funded films, would you have to make a special distinction there too?
Just having some fun with you. That’s all.
Nat who watches and then decides.
Govenment funded films? Who do I contact?
Knight (hehehe)
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