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1. Does anybody know where are kept whose conductors score which was used in BR. I mean which was used by Jonathan Sheffer.
2. Who knows where are kept 1st original orchestrated sketches of partituras of BR score which are shown in interview? In libraries?
3. Is they exist?
4. Who have an excess to get conductor score?
5. Why Ryan doesnt post any score sheets from Elfmans score, like he did on Mark McKenzie site (Lost Child – Main Title).
Generally you have to arrange to go to the studio lot to look at the originals, if they haven’t been lost or misplaced. That’s sometimes the case. They usually have them on file though. You can’t take it home with you (duh) and you can’t photocopy it, but — if you want — you can bring score paper and copy it down as best as you can. They’ll usually give you an alotted amount of time per day.
Bill Wrobel of Film Score Rundowns has spent years studying and analyzing Bernard Herrmann’s scores and that’s what he does as far as he’s told me. He’s even discovered some presumed lost manuscripts from the CBS workshop while rummaging around. Analysis is a useful tool. He sent me his own “Herrmann-esque” score for Hitchcock’s The Birds and, I have to tell you, it’s paid off. I’m going to start mocking it up as soon as I can using Vienna’s samples and Garritan percussion.
Email me if you want a copy of the music in mp3 format when it’s finished.
Wow! Thanks, but where is this studio situated, i mean where its located?
Are arranging music? Hmm could you arrange some tracks if i will send you them?
Batman and Batman Returns were both Warner Bros. ventures and their lot is located in Burbank. If you’re ever around that area you can try calling and telling them you’re a film score analyst and would like to make an appointment to study some old manuscripts “FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY”. You have to sign a legal document — I forgot to mention that — before you’re allowed in.
Also, UCLA has a number of vintage scores in their library.
Thank you very much! But could you find out have they conductor score for Batman Forever or Batman & Robin which was composed by Elliot Goldenthal?
And the last question could you give me site with more instructions about calling them, for example the telephone or mobile phone number, the street and oth?
Thank you very much!Warner Bros owns all the Batman scores, right on down to Batman Begins. Again, you’ll have to go to Burbank (presuming they’ll even let you in) and show up in person. They won’t copy anything for you.
4000 Warner Boulevard,
Burbank, CA. / (818) 954 1744 or (818) 954-1008I think that’s it.
So i could present myself like film score analyst , no matter how old is me!? Coz im 16.
And then i must sat that i would like to make an appointment to study some old manuscripts “FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY”. Please give me conductors Score of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin? Yeah? And after giving giving conductor score, could i take to home? If not where i could copy them?
Thanks for the help!You sayed that you start mocking it up as soon as I can using Vienna’s samples and Garritan percussion. Could you tell me what will you start arranging? What composition?
I think you misunderstood me. YOU CAN’T TAKE THE SCORE HOME WITH YOU… EVER. They might let you in to look at it on the lot after signing a document (since you’re 16 your parents will have to sign it for you) but that’s all. You can bring manuscript paper with you and copy it down yourself. This is all assuming they let you in though.
As to the arrangement,
I’m working on Bill Wrobel’s music to Alfred Hitchcock’s the Birds. It sounds just like a lost Bernard Herrmann score. I already mocked up some old CBS pieces Herrmann did. They came out pretty good.
Here’s an analysis of the score by Bill Wrobel himself
http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/herrmann/wrobel_birds.pdfVery intresting! So when they will give me those conductor scores i could copy them through the copier or computer, i hope they have copier machine?
Dude, you need to learn to listen. No, you can’t use a copy machine, no you can’y use a computer, you would have to copy them BY HAND using pen and paper if you wanted to copy them. Please pay attention, because every question in your last 2 posts have already been answered by Dawg Man in his previous posts.
Knight (GAH!)
BTW Dawg Man – What are you using to mock up the pieces? VSL and… GPO? Just Curious
Oh man! Ok, so thanks for help!
Do you know where i can find those conductors scores (composed by Elliot Goldenthal):Batman Forever © 1995 Atlantic Recording Corporation, WEA International
Recorded at Sony and Todd AO, CA
Batman & Robin
Interview with the Vampire © 1994 Geffen Records Inc.
Demolition Man © 1993 Warner Bros.
Pet Semetary © 1989 Paramount Pictures
Alien 3 © 1992 MCA Records, Inc. Orchestra Recorded at 20th Century Fox
Titus © 2000 Sony Music Entertainment
In Dreams © 1998 Varese SarabandeHey Knight,
I’m using Vienna for the sustaining instruments and GPO for only keyboard and percussion instruments. For some reason instruments with a “decay” sound wonderful with GPO while “sustaining” instruments suck. Vienna is wonderful with everything they have though (their performance tool creates some of the best legato passages I’ve ever heard) so I use it as much as I can to fill in the gaps. They have the best muted string samples I’ve heard as well.
From an orchestrator’s standpoint, Bernard Herrmann loved mutes, on strings AND BRASS, so I also used a bit of the Sam Brass collection too. They have some pretty realistic samples of straight and harmon mutes in their library, as well as cuirve horns, although I’m still hard pressed to find any sample libraries with decent cup mute samples. I’m looking for X-fade aswell (where you can create realistic crescendos with dynamic morphing). Vienna is great with that. It’s particularly compelling on their stopped horn.
Speaking of that, I have a recording I did of Bernard Herrmann’s “House on K Street” that I thought came out pretty good.
Here’s a temporary link to a short little cue from K Street titled “MURDER!” (it will be online for only a couple days):
http://s59.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CPFQ9BQ3XWW52OW8VBLQQVPB8Wow that sounds simple. VIenna is not a program and you can’t just download it. You have to buy it. It’s a VERY expensive instrument sample library that took years to create. The Orchestral Cube alone costs up in the thousands.
This guy is Elliot from Kazhakstan who really likes Goldenthal more than Elfman right? Elliot it is illegal to d/l Vienna although I doubt that would stop you. I paid almost three thousand canadian for my Vienna samples! Are you really going to travel from Kazhakstan to Burbank just so you may or may not be allowed in to a studio to hand copy down some sheet music?? I’ve got quite a bit of sheet music of cues from the first Batman for full orchestra but can’t give any of it away… nanner nanner nana.
But you say that they usually have them on file though. You can’t take it home with you! So they dont know about what i will doing with them, i can take home and copy them, and they will dont know about that!
Dude, You need to think.
Warner Brothers owns the original conductor’s score.
1. THEY OWN IT SO IT’S IN THEIR ARCHIVES.
2. THEY DON’T SELL IT.
3. THEY MAY LET YOU LOOK AT IT IF YOU SHOW UP IN PERSONIt’s not that hard to grasp.
YOU STAY THERE TO COPY IT BY HAND.
YOU STAY AT WARNER BROTHERS FOR A COUPLE HOURS TO DO SO.
THEN YOU LEAVE.
YOU DO NOT TAKE IT HOME WITH YOU.That’s if you actually get in. I would imagine you need to know someone on the inside there. Some guy who shows up outside the studios with bad english skills might not get in.
Interesting stuff. Now for my £0.02: JS, you might want to look at some more easier to obtain orchestral scores. There’s a music library near me that has full orchestral scores of classical pieces of music, you might want to look at Wagner if you like the sound in Batman, it’s not the same I know, but just a suggestion
I’m planning to go and take out Mahler’s #5 tommorow and orchestrate it with EWQLSO.Getting access to full movie scores would be awesome though, but I live in the UK so it’s not gonna happen unless abbey road look after some of the scores they record there.
Anyway, chocothrax – scans plz!
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