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SURVEY: WHICH OF THE SCORES U LIKE MORE – HULK or PLANET OF THE APES??
Apples and oranges. I like both a lot, but I think there’s more complexity to HULk and if I had t do pick, I’d pick that one. It has the benefit of having been written for a much, much better movie! The fact is, though, both scores exist and I think both are superb.
um both scores are excellent however I wouldnt say Hulk the movie was good at all, great scores for lousy movies
Planet of the Apes
The PoTA score is one of my favorite scores, so that gets my vote. The Hulk score doesn’t come close to it.
POTA
POTA is the one that got me into collecting scores, so.. POTA!
Planet of the Apes–plus, I liked the movie lots better. Actually, I didn’t care for the Hulk movie at all–the music was all right, but I don’t think it was Danny’s best.
POTA by far
HULK due to great themes, classic elfman elements, and that great mid-eastern flavor. not as good a movie as POTA but better music.
Dunno. I didn’t really like either of the movies, but the scores were both groovy.
Hulk had Tuvan throat singing and Atlas’ killer vocals, which are both awesome, but POTA had that dark Burton-y goodness that I love…I don’t think I can pick one,and have now rendered this post useless as a result.
Burt
How can anyone find anything positive to say about PLANET OF THE APES? It’s easily Burton’s worst movie, and is probably one of the crappiest films I’ve seen in recent years regardless of who made it. Put your love for Burton aside, and take a serious look at it: lousy writing, awful acting, awkward pacing… ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES was on TV the other day and I spent a few minutes marvelling at how much more enjoyable it is than the the bloodless remake. In fact, let me take that a little further: I’d rather watch _any_ other APES incarnation than the 2001 version. And that includes all five movies, that awful TV show, the cartoons, and the excellent documentary, BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES, that Roddy MacDowell worked on just before he died. Hell, I’d rather spend two hours staring at a PLANET OF THE APES lunch box than have to watch the 2001 movie again. That’s how bad I think it is. Discuss.
This is your point of view. It’s certainly not mine.
The journey of Whalberg’s character reminds very much the occidental behavior when we’re talking about wars :
First, we are in the middle of a situation we don’t care about; we try to escape it, not see what it’s happening in front of our eyes. People are killing each other, but what the hell : it’s far away, we don’t know them…it’s their problem !
Then suddenly, we realise that their struggles have an impact on our society. If we don’t do something, we’ll be in danger. Our little world can be destroyed ! So we decide to fight, we kill, we do what we think it’s fair. And when we’ve seen blood enough; we establish peace. Well, “our” peace; it’s more an artificial peace, based on our own (and only) conception of it. But we’re happy with that, it’s good enough, after all, “it’s their problem”.
So we leave, smiling, proud of what we made. But, what we don’t know is that the peace we made up is too fragile. And when we come back home, we realise that the enemy we fought is already home.The film has been released two months before 09/11. Pretty visionary for “one of the crappiest films you’ve seen in recent years regardless of who made it”. Though those situations have been seen many many times in the 20th century.
So, as always, Burton gave his reading of the human condition, of our social and political behavior.
I’m not seeing here that the movie is a masterpiece. But “one of the crappiest” ? Sorry, it’s just disnonest.I thought POTA was a very well made movie, and one of my favorite endings to a film. But it was boring. Easily Burton’s worst, but Burton’s worst is better than most director’s best.
I don’t recall stating that Tim’s Planet of the Apes was better than the original–just that I liked it better than The Hulk. (Another situation of step away, step away, turn, and RUN)!
Jack, those are thoughts are nice and certainly might make for a good movie some day, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that the people responsible for the remake had any of that in mind when they made it.
Wahlberg’s character cares more about primates than people at the beginning of the movie. As the film progresses, he grows into a protector role for the humans againsts the primates. Somewhere in there, there are muddled allusions to racism and prejudice of earth history passed, and there’s a vague commentary about how man’s inventions have ultimately led to their downfall.
The only problem is that the original did all this about a thousand times better and managed to make way more of a lasting statement along the way. As Roger Ebert said, the humans _do_ talk in the remake, but they don’t have anything particurally interesting to say. I think he’s right on about that. Both the 68 and the 01 films make use of the “reversal” concept, but the 68 one actually made it seem terrifying when the ‘lead human’ was being held captive by the apes, and at the end — when the big secret that Dr. Zaus has been alluding to is finally revealed — the impact is shattering. It’s a great ending for a film that hasn’t lost it’s social relevance in the 35 some years since it was made.
People have asked me a lot what I think the ending of the 2001 version means and I flat out tell them that I think it was completely arbitrary — it doesn’t mean anything. There was no logic to it, no foreshadowing — they picked an ending out of a hat, and although the staging of it was cool, it doesn’t really have anything to do with the rest of the movie. What could it mean? That Thade escapes, reclaims the respect of his ape followers, and then the battle between apes and humans is regarded as something of a Civil War with Thade himself as a Lincoln figure? What the hell is that? Lincoln is generally thought of as having brought two opposing groups of people together. Thade sure as hell hasn’t done that if the primate populated capital city is any indication. Maybe Wahlberg is in a alternate dimension? If so, so what? This whole new world that we’ve just seen about 20 seconds of then has nothing to do with what we’ve spent the last two hours watching.
The thing is, all five of the original PLANET OF THE APES movies were _about_ something. They dealt with race relations, prejudice, and the dark side of human slavery and oppression. And most of those movies, particurally the first, third and the fourth, really hold up today. Part 4, CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, sure as hell spoke to the social conditions of Los Angeles (if not the whole of the US) having been made so soon after the riots. If for no other reason, watch it for Roddy McDowell’s speech at the end of the film — it’s as chilling as anything I’ve seen in any movie.
The makers of that film had something they wanted to say and they did it in a really ballsy way. I have a feeling that Zanuck and company decided to do the remake because they wanted to make another barrel of money.
>>Jack, those are thoughts are nice and certainly might make for a good movie some day, but you can’t tell me with a straight face that the people responsible for the remake had any of that in mind when they made it.
Oh yes i can. But apparentely you’re not tolerant and smart enough to understand that. So i won’t response to your arguments ’cause i know you won’t respect mine.
Sorry, I have better things to do than waste my time with some internet nerd repeating “worst film ever” again and again and again.
PEOPLE…I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE MUSIC…NOT THE MOVIE
Scores: POTA is near the top of my all-time favorites.
Movies? I’ll simply say that I much prefer “Ed Wood” or “Mars Attacks” over Burton’s POTA. Sorry, kids, but I’m not into the POTA flicks at all – never have been, never will be. That easily clouds my judgment…
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