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The theme in The Hulk sounds suspiciously similar to the first movement of Rimsky-Korsakov’s Piano Concerto. I appreciate most people haven’t heard it, so here’s a link for a sound sample:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002ZSH/
Just click on “Piano Concerto In C Sharp Minor Op. 30: Moderato – Allegretto quasi polacca” and listen out for the flute. The whole piece seems to be reminiscent of this theme, using EXACTLY the same sequence of notes.
Any thoughts?you have to get you inspiration from somewhere.
also you have to keep in mind that there are only so many notes and so many rhythms. Once you really study music everything sounds the same to you.
I’ve felt the same, too. You have to get inspiration from somewhere and there are only so many notes. I’ve encountered such difficulties when I make my own score for my animated films. Oh, well.
HA–it really does sound like the Hulk. But have a visit to the link below:
http://www.imaginaryforces.com/html/index.html?s=projects&q=5
Click on the link for Haunted Mansion main titles (right near Spider-Man, yay!), and have a look/listen. Mark Mancini’s main titles music sound like a combination of many Elfman scores. Also, I was just on hold for TiVo support and I heard a piece very similar to the Peter Pan score. Now that’s just another example of how music can sound similar, or maybe in Mark Mancini’s case, almost identical to other pieces.
That Hyperion series of neglected Romantic Piano Concertos is great. Try the Busoni for one of the longest Piano Concertos every written (it is almost 80 minutes long) – it would be a real tour de force for any Piano player to perform that live.
As for that Hulk thing, I thought of that decending flute figure as more of a motive.
Nat
FYI that IS a combination of Elfman’s scores! I believe the opening sustained organ note is from BATMAN RETURNS, and segues into EDWARD SCISSORHANDS. I have THE HAUNTED MANSION score and I knew SCISSORHANDS was used as a temp track just by listening — this only confirms it!
Ryan
“I believe the opening sustained organ note is from BATMAN RETURNS…”
So that sustained note from BATMAN RETURNS was the first time that note has ever been sustained on an organ in any piece?
I thought that was kind of funny (it was to me anyway). Just having some fun at your account Ryan, sorry. I won’t post for another couple of days for that.
Nat
“You can’t inherit a pipe.”
Nat, that whole thing had temp tracks that DID use Elfman’s music (a repeated loop from a part of Edward Scissorhands mostly). It’s not Mancini’s. Didn’t you see it?
There is difference between a piece ‘sounding’ like something else (usually completely unavoidable unless you come up with something totally original) and using the EXACT notes for a ‘motif’ (or whatever you want to call it
).
Anyway, it’s interesting to know where Elfman probably got his motif from atleast.Nat, I’m glad too that atleast someone is selling these genius ‘undiscovered’ piano concertos. I think there was only ever one recording made of Rimsky’s piano concerto. It’s a shame, as I think it’s absolutely fantastic. If you want to buy it, its cheaper to go to http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk.
man…such crap. NOTHING IS ORIGINAL. Not even you. This freaking plagiarism stuff is nonsensical.
I didn’t really like the score to the Hulk…maybe this is why…
There is original music out there people.
Knight (Go ahead and yell at me now)
“NOTHING IS ORIGINAL”
hehe…riiiiight…
There’s only so many letters in the alphabet, and I’m thinkin’ more than one person just wrote a sentence that has never been wrote in the exact same way before–not in the same structure, not with the same connotation. I’d say, the same goes for music.
Thanks for the tip Jamie!
Nat
man…such crap. NOTHING IS ORIGINAL. Not even you. This freaking plagiarism stuff is nonsensical
The possibilities are ENDLESS!!! That is a stupid remark if I ever heard one!
Hmm….nobody got it.
I got it. [prepares to laugh]… ha. ha. ha.
(Have you considered that maybe people did get it, but, um… well, you know…)
Well, you forgot the period at the end, so it wasn’t ENTIRELY plagiarised!
Well, a serious comment, now… that flute line in the Piano concerto sounds very much ahead of its time, actually – If Danny has heard this and used the idea, that’s probably what would have attracted him to it. Another point to consider is that when he was brought in (at the last minute) to score The Hulk, Danny was specifically asked NOT to write a typical Danny Elfmanesque score. Perhaps he felt he could ensure his fulfillment of this duty by using an idea from someone else’s music as a major leitmotif in the score. Then again, there is the good ol’ coincidence… who knows? But I can certainly see your point, Jamie.
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The J>> I think there was only ever one recording made of Rimsky’s piano concerto.<< Although recordings may not be in print any more, the op.30 concerto has been recorded at least a few more times. In 1950 by Sviatoslav Richter with Kirill Petrovich Kondrashin conducting the Moscow SO; and in 1993 (for Chandos!) by Geoffrey Tozer with Dmitri Kitayenko conducting the Bergen Philharmoniske Orkester. You should have at least a good chance of getting hold of the latter. As usual I can’t get my work computer to let me hear amazon’s realplayer files. On hearing the whole concerto, though, I’d put the R-K influence as transitory at best, even if you take into his account of Danny’s penchant for Russian composers (Shostakovich, Prokovieff and Stravinsky all post-date Rinsky-Kosakov, though, despite his influences). Or perhaps amazon is linking to the wrong soundclip. :o) Blunt
(sorry, typo = Rimsky-Korsakov)
I think it sounds more like this http://www.christilton.com/temp/ColoredField_excerpt.mp3
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