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Since it’s my first post, I’d like to first say hi! I’m a huge Elfman fan.
I hate to be beginning on such a down note, but I think some of you might want to read this. CHUD.com just posted a brief soundbite with Elfman regarding SPIDER-MAN 3 and it’s not good sadly…
SPIDER-MAN COMPOSER NO MORE
09.11.05
By Devin FaraciToday the junket for The Corpse Bride junket was held in Toronto, at the Toronto Film Festival. The junket in general was short on news – Tim Burton is taking a break, Helena Bonham Carter has a few things in the hopper and Johnny Depp is still knee-deep in Captain Jack Sparrow (his mouth was full of gold teeth). But Danny Elfman dropped a surprise on me when I asked him whether Sam Raimi had told him which villains for whom to consider themes. He’s not doing Spider-Man 3, he told me. I asked why.
Elfman: Spider-Man 2 was a miserable experience.
Q: Why? Was it too fast or –
Elfman: It’s a complicated thing.
Q: Why was it complicated?
Elfman: My connection to Sam got completely severed. As far as I’m concerned, he went to sleep and somebody put a pod next to him and when he awoke, he wasn’t the same person I’ve known for a decade.
Q: Will you work with him again?
Elfman: No. He went from right there, number 2 on my list of favorite directors, to the last – to the exact opposite of everything I look for in a film experience. Everything I could do on Spider-Man 1 I couldn’t do on Spider-Man 2. He got so intensely attached to the temp music, I couldn’t even adapt my own music. I couldn’t get close enough to me.
It’s the first time I’ve ever walked from a director in twenty years, and hopefully the last time. He became intolerable. I’ve been on some heavy duty films, so to say that it had to be pretty bad. I have been in war zones you wouldn’t believe in 55 films. But this is the first time I’ve said, I’ve had it. It’s just not worth it. I would rather go back to waiting tables than to do Spider-Man 2 again.
Having loved Elfman’s scores for both films, this really is a disappointment. If only Raimi had attended the recording sessions…
Thanks for sharing Spider-Man Fan,
I knew things didn’t go too well between the two of them but not to this extent. I sort of assumed that it would be sort of like what happened to Burton and Elfman in the mid-90s, they’d do a movie apart and then patch things up. Seems like this is much, much worse and we might never hear a Raimi/Elfman collaboration again.
That’s so disappointing to hear. I guess Raimi actually “sold out” and Danny wasn’t going to put up with it. I seem to recall the DVD making-of feature having Raimi say that he had no idea how he was going to finish the movie. Plus Spider-Man 2, although an excellent movie that still esxceeds beyond most ogher superhero films, did seem kinda schlockily put together. By all means, good for Danny for walking out when he was treated so poorly, but I’m still terribly disappointed that he’s not scoring the third. They were such a great collaboration. And now i’ve lost respect for one of my favorite fiolmmakers. The whole thing’s a damn shame, so let’s blame it on Sony.
Wow, and Elfman seemed in good spirits. Who knew it was that bad?
He has a lot to look forward this year and next with CORPSE, CHARLOTTE’S and A DAY WITH WILBUR ROBINSON. The man is booked!
Ryan
None of us believed it was THIS bad. Many of us probably thought it was Sony or something like that but apparently it was a fight between the two men. Hopefully they can patch this up someday. DOG forbid this would ever happen between him an Burton. And too bad Burton is taking a break! This means another 96~99 Mars attacks to Sleepy Hollow gap! Oh Well! He needs the rest so he can be with his son. This was ALL just sad news wasnt it!
Well I pretty much made it plain and clear that it was the filmmaker (Raimi) who was giving Elfman the gears on S-M2. I just didn’t know that Raimi totally flaked on Danny. I knew about the temp-track issue (there is a great story there that will someday be told). I wonder what this means about using Elfman’s themes in S-M3.
And don’t forget that Tim and Danny already had their rift.
Ryan
I hope they use the same themes for Spider-Man 3. Without the Elfman theme opening the movie and the villian theme being interwoven in the main titles……it just won’t be the same movie….. but Elfman has better things to do than Spider-Man in my opinion.
rkeaveney Wrote:
(there is a great story there
> that will someday be told).
> RyanSomeday…as in “today” ?
Yourself, on FSM forum :
“Why don’t you ask Mr. Spielberg why he refused Sony’s attempt to license “Anderton’s Great Escape” from MINORITY REPORT at Sam Raimi’s request? Maybe that would have worked for the fanboys? Yes, they temped the E-Train sequence with MINORITY REPORT and were ready to LICENSE the cue because Elfman refused to rip it off. That took balls and integrity to walk away, and kudos to Spielberg for having the brains to not let Raimi cheapen his picture with licensed music. SPIDER-MAN 2 is not MISS CONGENIALITY 2!”I hope you don’t mind this.
Pretty disappointing to read anyway. What happened to you M. Raimi ?
What a cheap ploy on the audiences of film music thinking that we wouldn’t know the change of Danny’s Compostions to John Wiliams. I hope Sam Raimi dosen’t take his fans( or movie goers) as idiots, great to see both Speilberg and Danny go aganst Raimi on that decsion, but that’s one of those Holly wood deals. In this case this is the right way to go.
Nice sleuthing, Edward Bloom! We already know that Raimi was so attached to the “Hellraiser 2” score that he went as far as hiring Chris Young to adapt his own work because it couldn’t be licensed. I actually frown upon Young for going along with it. But trying to steal from John Williams, come on! You’ve got Danny “Hollywood’s hottest composer” Elfman working on your film, which happens to be one of the most expensive in history, and you want to license music from another film? Shame on Sam Raimi! Shame on him!
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