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  • #37041
    mike
    Participant

    do you guys think elfman should sue silversti for “the polar express” score
    because it sounds JUST LIKE “ed scissorhands”
    same boys choir and everything

    #53234
    Katie
    Participant

    Geez . . . you’re gonna get people all worked up with that subject name.

    Hell no . . . Polar Express doesn’t sound anything like Edward Scissorhands . . . and wouldn’t it be record labels suing each other instead of composers?

    #53237

    No one can really sue anymore over that kinda of stuff unless the melodic organization is literally an exact copy. Using styles and forms from other composers isn’t exactly illegal.

    FFC

    #53238
    Anonymous
    Guest

    This turned out to be a lame post. I thought Elfman might actually be filing suit against Silversti. You really need to phrase your subject titles a little bit better mike.

    #53239
    Danny Burton
    Participant

    Good lord, mike. You should be more careful with your posts.

    First the “feud” with Ottman and now this.

    If you really must start topics like these, at least put a question mark at the end.

    God.

    #53241
    Danny Burton
    Participant

    Bless your heart, Ryan.

    #53250
    mike
    Participant

    it’s a good way to attract attention to your thread
    i’m guessing you haven’t been to the IMDB boards
    it’s filled with stuff like this “elfman and fonda sex tape”

    #53251
    mike
    Participant

    just want to know if he’s going to take legal action or not
    sheesh

    #53252
    mike
    Participant

    was hoping he’d sue
    it sounds so similar it’s crazy

    #53258
    Spider-Fan
    Participant

    I found the basis for Polar Express. Listen to John Debney’s “Elf” score. I mean, exact same notes. Maybe different instruments, but same notes. I like Debney and Silvestri, so I’m not going to go further.

    #53260
    Katie
    Participant

    So does that mean I’m justified if I post a message about the Planet of the Apes score with the subject line, “Danny Elfman killed in plane crash” just because I want lots of people to read what I wrote?

    #53262
    Ryan Keaveney
    Keymaster

    There is a strange similarity between the main “gooey” theme from ELF (first hear when Buddy traverses the mountaintop as he treks to New York City) and the main theme from POLAR EXPRESS. If you get your hands on the POLAR EXPRESS promo tracks, you’ll hear one cue in particular that sounds very much like EDWARD SCISSORHANDS. I’ll post a clip if there is any interest.

    Ryan

    #53267
    mike
    Participant

    please post it when you get the chance
    don’t want people to think i’m going crazy *which i am*

    #53270
    mike
    Participant

    yes

    #53271
    mike
    Participant

    sweet jebus people it was a bloody joke

    #53274
    mike
    Participant

    i like them both too
    “Van Helsing” was my favorite score of last year, so it’s not like i hate silversti or none
    i just feel like he shouldn’t have ripped elfman off like that

    #53284
    Katie
    Participant

    Can you maybe post that cue from Elf???

    I really wish that movie had a score CD out :-( I am curious to hear which part of Polar Express sounds like Elf . . .

    #53288
    mike
    Participant

    i haven’t seen elf so i can’t really comment on debney’s score for that movie

    but polar express is just a ripoff from start to finish

    #53292
    Ryan Keaveney
    Keymaster

    Katie – the score for ELF was released on Varese Sarabande.

    Ryan

    #53293
    Spider-Fan
    Participant

    http://johndebney.com/projects/elf/?ref=cd

    All of those samples contain the theme that I was referring to, especially “Main Titles.” I loved these bouncy tunes, and they were the only samples of film music that my friends would literally hum in the hallways at school after hearing (Elf was the movie that all the classes watched the day before winter break).

    #53295
    Ryan Keaveney
    Keymaster

    Here are some clips from “Elf” and “The Polar Express”. Make sure to right click and save as, because these won’t be here forever.

    “Elf” Clip 1 – Big statement of “Buddy’s Theme”, similiar to first half of “The Polar Express” main theme.

    “Elf” Clip 2 – “Buddy’s Theme” scaled down similiar to the next clip…

    “The Polar Express” Clip 1 – First half of theme is remarkably similiar to “Elf” theme.

    “The Polar Express” Clip 2 – Reminds me of “Edward Scissorhands”, even has it’s own well-timed crescendo, finishes with an Edward-ian choir.

    Ryan

    #53297
    Danny Burton
    Participant

    Heh. Sounds to me like Silvestri got half of the Buddy’s theme and half of Edward’s theme.

    Nice.

    #53298
    mike
    Participant

    see that’s why i think some legal action should be taken

    #53299
    Mr. Dantz
    Participant

    Wow, that is a little bit too close to Edward Scissorhands, isn’t it!

    #53300
    Spider-Fan
    Participant

    Why? Danny’s rolling around in cash from his success, and Polar Express wasn’t a very successful movie for the money that was spent on it. I think justice is served.

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