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So… will every Twilight film have a different main theme?
It seems that way.
Now, I’m not going to speak for Elfman, however, knowing his tastes, I bet he thinks these movies are immeasurably stupid.
Let’s be honest. Elfman has composed his share of dumb movies. Summer School, Hot to Trot, and Flubber quickly come to mind. I can understand the first two since it was during his early years, but Flubber? Come on. What was he thinking? So, if Elfman scored a Twilight movie I wouldn’t be that surprised.
Despite how bad these movies have been so far the scores have actually been pretty good. Carter Burwell’s score for Twilight was pretty good. Alexandre Desplat’s score for New Moon was very good. And since Howard Shore is scoring Eclipse, I expect another good score there as well. So, Elfman will be in good company if he ever decides to join the franchise.
It depends on the studio. Sometimes they wanna stick a song at the end. Which was the case with Spidey 2. Even Alice in Wonderland has songs instead of score.
Danny must really hate scoring blockbusters. First, he gets bitch-slapped by the sound editors on Terminator Salvation and now whatever he scored for Alice is not on the screen. For example, the album has a track titled Going To Battle. But in the movie they ARE in a battle. The music matches. Thankfully. But the titles do make you wonder what the heck he was scoring.
Looks like Danny is gonna get his biggest hit since “Spider-Man 2.”
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/disneys-trip-wonderland-success
For reference sake. The 5 most successful movies that Danny has scored are:
1. Spider-Man (2002) – $403.7 million
2. Spider-Man 2 (2004) – $373.5 million
3. Batman (1989) – $251.1 million
4. Men in Black (1997) – $250.6 million
5. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) – $206.4 millionIt says nothing of Timur directing. It says that he’ll co-produce it with Tim Burton like in “9.” And, yes, Danny Elfman will ATLEAST do the theme but too soon to tell if he’ll score it as well. He didn’t score “9.” Deborah Lurie did.
http://www.wakingsleepingbeautymovie.com/videos.html
^ ^ ^ Watch the 3rd and 8th clips for more footage of a young Tim Burton.
The Fahrenheit 451 score was not even released until a few years ago (conducted by Morgan Stromberg, I believe), is that correct? If so, I find it hard to imagine that Danny Elfman would be familiar enough with the music to quote it….
He could have, you know, just watched the movie. lol.
Besides, with Disney’s plans to release the DVD on June 1st already, Belgium (as well as The Netherlands, Italy and the UK) decided to boycott the film…
Sad day to be a Burton/Elfman fan…
The ban was lifted. You can enjoy the movie with the rest of us.
Well, I’m more interested in looking at a debate where people dump on the movie that they haven’t even seen yet.
That’s easy to find.
Has anyone come across a good debate on a message board about the new Alice in Wonderland movie?
It’s two weeks away. I don’t think anyone has actually seen it yet. As for Danny Elfman’s score, I already heard the album and a lot of music is obviously missing. Nothing is featured for the Mad Hatter and Red Queen except for the finale and even that is too short.
Maybe Ryan can answer why so much music is missing.
Ryan, I love you, I really do, but honestly, I had no idea you posted the lyrics. If I did I would have give you credit. Trust me.
By the way, I’m listening to the After Alice soundtrack right now. It’s not as bad as I was expecting.
Oh, Alice, dear where have you been?
So near, so far or in between?
What have you heard what have you seen?
Alice, Alice, please Alice!Oh, tell us are you big or small
To try this one or try them all
It’s such a long, long way to fall
Alice, Alice, oh, AliceHow can you know this way not that?
You choose the door you choose the path
Perhaps you should be coming back
Another day, another dayAnd nothing is quite what it seems
You’re dreaming are you dreaming, oh, Alice?
(Oh, how will you find your way? Oh, how will you find your way?)
(There’s not time for tears today. There’s no time for tears today.)So many doors – how did you choose
So much to gain so much to lose
So many things got in your way
No time today, no time today
Be careful not to lose your head
Just think of what the doormouse said. . . Alice!Did someone pull you by the hand?
How many miles to Wonderland?
Please tell us so we’ll understand
Alice. . . Alice. . . Oh, Alice(Oh, how will you find your way? . . . Oh, how will you find your way?)
I don’t see how you’re so hung up on this
I’m just saying that Elfman is no saint. And neither is John Williams, the God of American film music. So, no reason to badmouth John Ottman for doing the same. That’s how this whole argument started. And I got into this argument without going into full attack against Elfman. I chose the smallest example. I could have easily used the two Pee-Wee scores which are essentially Nino Rota music. Not even Elfman denies that. Yeah, one could say it’s a “homage” but the line is very thin.
the composers both do something completely different with it
Herrmann used it as a Main Title Theme. Elfman has used it as a bridge in various scores. Either way it’s the same composition.
time codes
0:24-0:30 and a bunch of times before and afterwards.
In “Dick Tracy” you hear it from 0:29 to 0:33 and afterwards as well.
So, at what time on the Flash video does Elfman lift music from “Farenheit?”
All over. I don’t know how you’re missing it.
I hesitate to ask where the “Farenheit” quotations are in Batman and Dick Tracy,
In Batman it’s a bit more obscure, but in Dick Tracy, like in Flash, it’s pretty much in your face. Again, I don’t know how you and DannyBiker are missing it.
