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- February 16, 2008 at 2:05 am in reply to: Elfman SHOULD have been involved in this project =( #60178
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ParticipantAnd it’s already gone…
May I ask what it was?
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ParticipantHmmmm…well, Mychael Dana was an odd choice for the first Hulk and look who replaced him late in the game. Even still, and as much as I proudly say that I was a fan of Ang Lee’s version, I doubt very much that Elfman will return.
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ParticipantFound this quote from Variety:
“All the fancy style applied to the sordid military equivalent of basement videotapes, and further whipped into a lather by Danny Elfman’s music, makes the proceedings feel far too melodramatic.”
This entire review was less-than-glowing to say the least…
Here’s a better one from Screen Daily:
“The notorious photographs recede into the distance in the title sequence, like stars in the sky, over music by Danny Elfman. “
Morris’ new doc seems to be upsetting a lot of people. The images I understand, are quite horrible. I wonder what kind of music Elfman usese to evoke those hideously in-humane acts of the US Military?
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ParticipantNo info on S.O.P?
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ParticipantJesus Christ. Talk about tit for tat. When will there be a new Elfman score to talk about?
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ParticipantHe was not actually in there, creating a series of images that when played sequentially, create the illusion of movement. I’d say he was more of an animation designer on this one. Much like his credit on the episode says…
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ParticipantErrrr…ughhhhh. Yeah, I know that. Just being a wise ass. I remember watching the episode when it first aired. I loved it and still do. And BTW, Burton was not actually an animator on The Family Dog episode…
From Burton On Burton:
“The next year, Burton was called in by Brad Bird, who he had worked with on THE FOX AND THE HOUND at Disney, to contribue a number of designs to Family Dog, an animated episode of Steven Spielberg’s television series AMAZING STORIES which Bird was directing…
Burton’s quote:
“My involvment was pretty much from a design point of view; I did storyboards and designed some more charecters because I love the idea of trying to do something from a dog’s point of view. I don’t know why, but I always relate to dogs. Edward Scissorhands is like a dog to me.”
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ParticipantVedy intevesting. I liked what Howard came up with. I wonder if Petey did too? Of course, there was no time to change his mind, if he didn’t…
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ParticipantHmmm…Sounds like John Williams to me. Oh wait!
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ParticipantYeah, I can see where you’re coming from. I never even bought the silly thing…
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ParticipantI think that Jackson and Del Toro will come to a mutual decision – IF – he makes the films. And considering Shore’s sudden depature from KONG, there could be some Raimi/Elfman type issues between the two, which could have an effect on any involvment in the LOTR pequels.
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ParticipantBut how do you REALLY feel?
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ParticipantYeah, a 20th Anniversay DVD is on it’s way out this year. Probably for Halloween. But methinks Ryan deleted the post I made It will be a new HD transfer and also in Standard Def.
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ParticipantWhere’s my post about the new DVD coming out? Sheesh. I don’t work for Warner…
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ParticipantYeah, all the studios are doing it. Old transfers in new jewel cases…
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ParticipantI’m sure that Raimi would have to control every aspect of the DVD release. Something he surely does not have time for. Hence, no special edition…
It’s a shame too. You’d think that Universal would just do it without him.
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ParticipantAlright. You win. I suck. So do Tim’s movies. I’m done…
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ParticipantAgreed. But this is what happens when people are asked to justify their wording. It all boils down to different tastes. I hope this is the end of discussing “edgy” vs. “shock”…
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ParticipantMaybe that’s it. Burton’s movie has remained the same, while I indeed have continued to grow. I don’t think it’s too much to expect to be challenged by your favorite directors? SWEENY was good, but not great. Just Timmy doing what he’s always done. And I guess The Accedmy feels the same way…
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ParticipantYeah, but that “stamp” has remained that way for so long and it has lost it’s “edge”.
And I would certaily attirbute that same deffinition to Nolan’s Batman. We were lured into this one with our past Batman movies, challenged by showing us something new and different and the shock (allbeit a mild one) came in many forms, most arguably The Scarecrow. I Hope we can maintian this shock and awe with Ledger’s Joker.
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ParticipantI feel what makes a film edgy is luring your audience, challenging their perceptions and shocking them, but in an entertaining way. I don’t feel that with Burton anymore. No personal stamp. Now when I watch other directors I love: The Coehn Brothers, David Cronenberg, Lynch – I can see their artistry – but with Burton, it feels so half-assed.
What pains me is that I am such a Burton fan. But when I watch his stuff now, I see so little of what made me a fan. While other directors I admire continue to grow, I feel like Timmy is just spinning his wheels…
I see his films not because I want to complain, but because I want to see him grow creatively. I liked BIG FISH, but I felt frustrated. Still, plenty to love about it. Kinks and all. I thought CHARLIE was good, but felt in-sincere. COPRSPE BRIDE was very good. That was what I expected. SWEENEY was going to be the real one for me, but it just left me cold…
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ParticipantUgggghhhh…isn’t he remaking FRANKENWEENIE into a full-length 3D stop-motion animated movie next? I’ll go see it, but man, he does nothing that’s remotely interesting anymore. *Maybe* I’ll watch Sweeney Todd again, but that movie should have been something incredible.
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ParticipantCould have been and edgy film, but Burton just doesn’t cut it anymore. But I’ve been through this rant on this message board before…
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ParticipantYeah. I say that this is the sort of edge Burton lacks nowadays…
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Participant…and what about S.O.P? Any news on the Morris doc?
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