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Frankenstein, Schm-akenstein. I liked that story to the right even more! Peter Berg re-doing Dune?!?! An Elfman soundscape like no other, if you ask me…
Well, in my deffense, I was thinking about that Vougue album Madonna released at the same tim as this film…Christ, how time plays tricks on our memories. Not my taste then, hardlymy taste now.
I do recall the songs in the film fitting nicley with the tone of the film now. Still, Sondheim’s music in SWEENEY TODD was just an empty experience for me. Why, oh why, can’t I fit in with the cool kids?
What songs? The crappy Madonna stuff? I have the soundtrack, but just the Elfman score. Is my memory of that film SO faded that I can’t recall any songs in the film? Man, 2008 is too hard for me, can I go back…?
I agree, but the impact of that journey was lost to me. I’m not sure if seeing more of his life before would have helped convey it better or not, but I still think Burton fumbled the real dramatic potential.
A flawed masterpiece if there ever was one. I know that I am in the minority here, so I’ll keep my trap shut. Still, I wonder what this film would have been like with say Julie Taymor or even Terry Gilliam at the helm?
Not so much “expand” moments, but I think that some of dramatic moments in his past few films have been poorly staged, blocked and edited. I feel like he’s in a hurry to get to the good stuff and never lets something that should make an impact – make the impact. I do not think things had to be expanded, because the material was there – he just missed conveying it properly.
I felt that SWEENEY had it’s moments of impact for sure, but they were the bloody, revengful set pieces (though I loved the “By The Sea” sequence – it was perhaps my favorite) . I’m referring to some of smaller, subtle moments that I think are incapable for the director to handle.
Specifically, I refer to the flashback sequence of Todd’s life before returning to London. That entire montage was slapdash – especially when you consider the rest of the film. That was Sweeny’s entire motivation and in the hands of a more capable filmmaker, those moments should rip your heart out, especially by the conclusion of the story – and it didn’t – not for me, anyway. And I blame that on Burton’s mishandling of the flashback sequence.
SWEENEY could have been something grand, but not with Burton at the helm.
Yeah, opinions are like – well – we all know the saying…
I thoroughly loved the ending of SWEENEY, in fact, it was the most satisfying moment in the film. But as I said, I feel like the middle moments are rushed. I do not think he knows how to hit home the emotional impact in his movies – with a few exceptions – and certainly not since ED WOOD. All of this comes from a once die hard Burton fan, mind you.
Ha! That picture was taken at the Corpse Bride DVD signing at Best Buy in LA two years ago. Ah, memories…
Depp will loose the Oscar to Daniel Day Lewis – my prediction. I guess people are in very distict camps: Burton lovers, Sondheim lovers and your average movie goer. These parties rarely mingle…
I have noticed over the years, that Burton seems to mis-judge dramatic beats in his movies. I see so much potential for emotional moments (Billy Crudup confronting the woman he belives his father was having an affair with in BIG FISH, springs to mind first) and with such a rich tale of revenge and isolation- I feel none of it with SWEENEY. The moment that should be the most impactful is just rushed along. In the case of SWEENEY, the flashback to his life before returning to London. Maybe it’s not in the musical, maybe it is, but that is the core of the charecter’s drive – and it was not conveyed the way it could have been.
Now I can enjoy a flawed film and I do enjoy this one, somewhat. But I think Burton peaked with ED WOOD.
Aaaaagggghhhh, yeah. That looks fantastic. Can’t wait to see it. Anyone else catch the John Landis/Stanley Kubrick reference?
I’m guessing it will be a new theme, seeing how the first film was for Sony/Revolution Studios. The entire franchise has now been picked up by Universal. They would have to pay for those rights, which I doubt they would – and besides – Elfman is more than capable of coming up with his own. Still, I liked Beltrami’s music for first “Hellboy”. I would have liked to hear Elfman’s take on it. I guess we’ll see and hear soon enough…
The recordings are fine. Unless you’re nit-picky, it will not distract from the overall enjoyment. The only problem with the CD is the misprint in numbered track sequences – we get two #11s. – hardly cause for alarm.
Besides, calling yourself an Elfman fan and NOT having this CD makes you an incomplete nerd or something.
Yes, back when NBC, CBS and ABC were all trying to cash in the the popularity of The Simpsons; each station offered their own animated crap. Capitol Critters and Fish Poice were the other ones I recall. There is a great gag on one of the Treehouse of Horrors Simpsons episodes with the above mentioned titles appear on gravestones in Springfield cemetery.
Yeah, both Burton and Speilberg were producers on the short-lived “Family Dog” animated series back in the 90s.
I really enjoyed NIGHTWATCH and DAYWATCH – two very distinctive films. I’m sure it will be a fun collaboration to see play out. Coun’t me in…
Sounds like a dilly of a pickle.
Yeah, I can dig hearing his evolution, but all that techno-electronic stuff sounds the same…
There are a few standout tracks (like MISSION IMPOSSIBLE) but over all, I think he can take this and expand upon it further. Something we know doubt will all be thrilled to hear.I personally thought his greatest stretch was his Sereneda classical album. Now THAT’S something I want to hear more of…!
Hey, that was great to see and hear – thanks! I have not seen any of Elfman’s last three movies, so maybe I’m missing something. But like I said, ROBINSONS over KINGDOM for me. Can’t wait to hear what he does woth the new Morris doc too…
Well I got it on Saturday and have yet to really get into it. It may not even happen at this point. I’m underwhelmed to say the least, but I still enjoy the moments where I can really tell it’s Elfman – and not the standard CSI-type soundtrack stuff.
What more can I say, I enjoyed MEET THE ROBINSON’S a lot more…
