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ParticipantI guess it’s gonna be Lala Land, like the Batman Animated series… But it’s only a guess…
By the way, what happened with Lala Land’s Scrooged release ? Is it still going to happen ?
ParticipantWell, you’re right, Mission : Imposible was different… But I think Descent Into Mystery is right.
Dolores Claiborne was the first giant step. It was one of his first less-theme-based score. Don’t get me wrong, there are beautiful themes in Dolores, but they’re not the heart of the score. It’s much more complex. He created new textures for that score. A new way of using the strings. A new atmosphere, and he kept developping these textures later on, specially with “Extreme Measures” (a score that everybody keeps ignoring, for some reason).Then, “To Die For” was surprising as well, because it took you to unexpected areas. For example, the Main Titles start with a typicall Elfman-old-fairy-style melody, and suddenly turns into hard rock. It was, I believe, the first time he really mixed that rock-guitar sound with his film music style. (In my opinion, Midnight Run doesn’t count, because it wasn’t an orchestral score. It sounded more like an Oingo Boingo instrumental album). Actually, To Die For’s main titles always made me think of some sort of Schizophrenia. I remember Danny talking about this duality of being a rock songwriter and a classical orchestra film composer in an interview back in the days, and this music really reflected that duality perfectly. Pretty happy he ended up writing a whole piece based on Schizophrenia.
And “Dead Presidents” and also “Freeway” were the start of his “experimental” universe. With the creation of new sounds, weird percussions, electronics mixed with orchestra and electric guitars.
Then came Mission : Impossible, where he continued using the string textures of Dolores Claiborne, some of his old style action composition, combined with some new sound design and percussion ideas that he had started to developp with Dead Presidents or Freeway…
ParticipantYou forgot the Rabbit & Rogue Ballet, and also the fact that we finally got to hear his singing voice again in “Corpse Bride”, “Charlie & The Chocolate Factory”, and of course the boingo-reminiscent “Little Things” for wanted !
Pretty good decade if you ask me
ParticipantSorry Ryan, I know I’m off-topic… So I’ll stop now… Anyway, let’s hope Elfman wins!
ParticipantWell, Spiderfan, I agree with you on Giacchino’s good choices. There’s no doubt his music fits the movies, and specially the disney ones… But still, there’s something about his melodies that I don’t like.
As for the SPACE MOUNTAIN scores, I was talking about the ones in Paris, which are totally different versions.
The atmosphere of the space mountain there is everything BUT sci-fi. That’s why they called they didn’t call the land “tomorrowland” but “Discoveryland”. It’s all about the way old visionnaires like Jules Vernes, Wells or DaVinci used to see the future. So, the music used to be in the same atmosphere.
It was the first ride EVER to have a fully synchronized orchestral score. Sensors, under the tracks, would sync every twist and turn with the music. It was amazing (check out the old Bramson score http://www.magicsparks.com/dlp/discoveryland/SpaceMountainTheme.mp3 and also the area music http://www.magicsparks.com/dlp/discoveryland/SpaceMountainLoop/04%20SpaceMountainImpressions.mp3 )And here’s what Giacchino has done : http://www.magicsparks.com/dlp/discoveryland/SpaceMountainMission2.mp3
ParticipantWell, yes, I guess I am a monster… Even though I didn’t say I hate it. I just don’t like it.
Maybe it is because I’m from Europe and I’ve heard way too many musics that sound like this. He tries to imitate that traditionnal French sound, but doesn’t succeed making it memorable and touching. It simply doesn’t have any effect on me. Sorry… But that’s just my opinion.ParticipantI’ve listened carefully to each and every Michael Giacchino score that’s been officially release, and I really can’t even name ONE single score that I liked. Maybe they sound good in the movies (which is good because this is what they’re composed for) but I really dislike his music in the albums.
And I don’t say that because I love Elfman, because I must say I didn’t like “Milk” that much…
For people who like Disneyland rides music, Michael Giacchino is hated for what he has done for the “Mission 2 Space Mountain” music in Paris. The whole ride was based on Jules Vernes’ universe and the original epic music by Steve Bramson (very inspired by James Horner & John Williams) was absolutely amazing.
Giacchino’s approach sound like a technoïd “Alias”-like music, that is really out of place in that ride.I really don’t understand why everybody loves his work that much… Can anybody help me understand?
ParticipantWait a minute Ryan… When you say “SCROOGED”, you mean : The suite on MFADT ?
Or you’re talking about an advanced copy of the upcoming release ? (By tha way, I was hoping it would be out for Christmas… Any information on this???)ParticipantNO WAY ?!!?! Is this a joke ?? Paul Haslinger??? Come on….!
ParticipantHmmmm. Interesting, I had never heard that song before. Wow, the guitar chords at 0:05 remind me of the Boingo song “Vultures”. Very elfman-esque indeed. Or maybe elfman was beatl-esque
ParticipantNice Ryan, thanks to you, I don’t feel guilty, because YOU said it, and not me
ParticipantYes, she does, and these themes are beautiful
ParticipantWell,
I heard, from a pretty good source, that something was going to happen, regarding some 80’s unreleased x-mas score… I don’t know when, and how, but I think this person can be trusted
ParticipantTHOR : “I’m sure we would have heard something if it was an upcoming reissue.”
Well, Thor, sometimes we have very pleasant surprises, like the Mars Attacks Reissue, that was totally unexpected… And trust-me, we can expect another VERY VERY pleasant surprise soon, regarding an unreleased score that every Elfman fan has been dreaming of, for a loooong time now
ParticipantJust finished listening to the “9” cd, and it’s AMAZING !
There are at least two major indentifiable themes, and Lurie really captures the Elfman sound, while adding her own ideas. There is one very heroic 10 notes theme, and another quiet theme. There is also a very elfman-y succession of chords that is used during the whole cd.
I can’t really tell more, for now, because I have to hear it again, but trust me, if you like Elfman, you’ll be more than happy with this cd! I already loooove it !
ParticipantHehe, pretty interesting. You can hear a sample of it on Amazon. Listen to the first few seconds of the 24th track :
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Music-Film-Classics/dp/B000004644
August 2, 2009 at 11:12 am in reply to: What Non-Burton Movie Would You Like Elfman to do a DVD Commentary For? #64461ParticipantI’d say SCROOGED, it’s for sure one of Elfman’s scores I love the most. Can’t wait for it to be released, by the way
Or, I’d choose NIGHTBREED. I think this one would have a nice and pretty interesting commentary
ParticipantIs this Elfman’s music, at the end or the trailer (2) :
ParticipantI couldn’t agree more… Why Spiderman 3?!? And I still can’t figure out why they honor Chris Young by starting to play someone else’s theme. For example, if I wanted to honor John Ottman’s music, why would I start by playing John Williams’ Superman theme?!!?
ParticipantYeah… and Can’t See (Useless) too
ParticipantThere are TONS of Oingo Boingo songs that work perfectly when you adapt them to play accoustic versions.
All you need is some work on the adaptations. Of course, the songs will not have the same energy and speed the originals have, since it’s accoustic, but it will show another side of theses lovely melodies.I adapted a few Boingo songs that I played at my last concert, only with a piano… Maybe this selection can give you an idea…
-Eric
ParticipantDeborah Lurie!!! Of course, how is it possible that I forgot to mention her ?!!!!
She would be perfect!ParticipantOttman would be an awesome pick. I don’t agree when you say he ripped off Elfman. I’d say he’s been inspired by Elfman’s style, but he never copied anything. That’s why I respect this composer so much.
I totally agree with Michael Giacchino as well. Of course, Steve Bartek could do an amazing job. There’s also the guy who did the Darkman 2 and 3 soundtrack. I don’t remember his name, but he’s been very faithfull to Elfman’s themes and atmosphere.
As for Coraline’s composer Bruno Coulais, I don’t even want to hear from this guy… Everytime I hear one of his scores, at first, I’m surprised I like the melodies, and then I realize that the only thing I like about it , is the fact that it sounds like other composers. Only, his orchestrations are bad, and the man is way too proud of himself…
Participant“Why can’t we just all… get along…!”
ParticipantI’m happy you like it
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